NP Friday June 3, 2016

[hkmaly 490]

19 minutes ago, The Old Hack said:

24 minutes ago, hkmaly said:

If they could afford several starships ... oh, right, those were fake. Well, so were the microphones and the vacuum.

Don't be ridiculous. They used real microphones. Without them, Star Wars would have been a silent movie.

You seriously think the sound recorded on set is used in movies? They record the sound separately the same way dubbing is made. Well, maybe not always, but often enough. BECAUSE when filming, they wouldn't be able to get the microphone close enough for clear sound.

EDIT: Ok, definitely not always. But some scenes are impossible to get with sound, so it's definitely option.

And that's about dialogues: obviously, lot of star wars sounds was created outside the set.

[The Old Hack 2,448]

25 minutes ago, hkmaly said:

You seriously think the sound recorded on set is used in movies? They record the sound separately the same way dubbing is made. Well, maybe not always, but often enough. BECAUSE when filming, they wouldn't be able to get the microphone close enough for clear sound.

EDIT: Ok, definitely not always. But some scenes are impossible to get with sound, so it's definitely option.

And that's about dialogues: obviously, lot of star wars sounds was created outside the set.

And how would they have used all that marvelous technology without the invention of microphones?

[hkmaly 490]

12 minutes ago, The Old Hack said:

And how would they have used all that marvelous technology without the invention of microphones?

I wasn't saying they don't have the TECHNOLOGY. Just that the microphones "used" for recording the space battles were fake anyway, so they might just as easily be fake laser ones.

[The Old Hack 2,448]

58 minutes ago, hkmaly said:

I wasn't saying they don't have the TECHNOLOGY. Just that the microphones "used" for recording the space battles were fake anyway, so they might just as easily be fake laser ones.

Nonsense. The fake laser microphone wasn't invented until years later.

[hkmaly 490]

1 hour ago, The Old Hack said:

1 hour ago, hkmaly said:

I wasn't saying they don't have the TECHNOLOGY. Just that the microphones "used" for recording the space battles were fake anyway, so they might just as easily be fake laser ones.

Nonsense. The fake laser microphone wasn't invented until years later.

Well the infrared one was already used in 1947. Obviously the leap from infrared microphone to laser one is smaller than the leap from normal sword to lightsaber or from normal gun to blaster. Also, it's hard to imagine Star Wars production didn't tried to put lasers into everything.

[The Old Hack 2,448]

22 minutes ago, hkmaly said:

Also, it's hard to imagine Star Wars production didn't tried to put lasers into everything.

I disagree. It's hard to imagine that they didn't put fake lasers into everything.

[hkmaly 490]

10 minutes ago, The Old Hack said:

34 minutes ago, hkmaly said:

Also, it's hard to imagine Star Wars production didn't tried to put lasers into everything.

I disagree. It's hard to imagine that they didn't put fake lasers into everything.

I said TRIED. Obviously, putting real lasers into something is harder. Fake lasers are easier.

Of course you don't need real laser for fake laser microphone.

[The Old Hack 2,448]

1 hour ago, hkmaly said:

I said TRIED. Obviously, putting real lasers into something is harder. Fake lasers are easier.

Of course you don't need real laser for fake laser microphone.

You could still do it! All you need is to put a real laser into a fake microphone, and voilá!

[mlooney 3,417]

In some of the game fluff fiction I wrote for project [redacted] the CO of the space ship noted than from in side the ship you could hear the missiles launching until they got far enough away that their reaction gas was no longer hitting the ship's hull. So it sounded more like cannon fire would in an atmosphere than a rocket launch would in an atmosphere. While I am not sure if the reaction gas would be strong enough to make noise hitting the ship's hull, I'm quite sure that it would while they were still in the tubes.

Another side note about explosions in a vacuum, when the Mythbusters did their proof that a gun will fire in a vacuum, the muzzle flash was several times larger than the same gun made in standard atmospheric pressure.  Like 3 or 4 times larger. This was very obvious on the high speed camera shots. So while an in space explosion will be silent it's fireball will be much larger than the same amount of explosives would be in an atmosphere.

[ijuin 572]

The muzzle flash or explosive fireball will be larger in vacuum because it does not have to expend energy pushing the air away. On the other hand, the lack of air also means that there is no sonic shock wave from the blast, which means that blast damage ouside of the fireball will be substantially less.

[The Old Hack 2,448]

54 minutes ago, ijuin said:

The muzzle flash or explosive fireball will be larger in vacuum because it does not have to expend energy pushing the air away. On the other hand, the lack of air also means that there is no sonic shock wave from the blast, which means that blast damage ouside of the fireball will be substantially less.

Yes. This means even nuclear devices will have much smaller areas where they inflict damage. In the Babylon 5 movie In The Beginning, Sheridan managed to increase the destructive effect by placing his nukes on asteroids -- the demolished asteroids effectively turned into shrapnel and as a result utterly destroyed the Black Star.

[mlooney 3,417]

57 minutes ago, ijuin said:

The muzzle flash or explosive fireball will be larger in vacuum because it does not have to expend energy pushing the air away. On the other hand, the lack of air also means that there is no sonic shock wave from the blast, which means that blast damage ouside of the fireball will be substantially less.

Oh, yeah, no question that the only way you are going to get blast damage in space is by a contact explosion. But the fireball will look freaking awesome.

[SeriousJupiter 49]

Wow. For some reason, I was afraid that a Pokémon joke about evolution would have caused a religious argument, but instead you chose to talk about Star Wars and Lord of the Rings.

I love you guys.

[The Old Hack 2,448]

9 minutes ago, SeriousJupiter said:

Wow. For some reason, I was afraid that a Pokémon joke about evolution would have caused a religious argument, but instead you chose to talk about Star Wars and Lord of the Rings.

I love you guys.

I was just as happy that the forum did not devolve into a rage fest over the bloody midichlorians. (I hate that idea so much.)

[hkmaly 490]

3 hours ago, The Old Hack said:

I was just as happy that the forum did not devolve into a rage fest over the bloody midichlorians.

Aren't the midichlorians all over the body and not just in the blood?

[The Old Hack 2,448]

33 minutes ago, hkmaly said:

Aren't the midichlorians all over the body and not just in the blood?

Near as I can tell, they are telekinetic tapeworms.

[Scotty 1,061]

I never really paid much attention to the prequel trilogy, but I was under the impression that it was some radioactive enzyme that was produced in the body, everyone had it to a degree but some that produced higher levels had the potential to become Jedi or Sith.

[InfiniteRemnant 141]

I would have thought they were more like magic-inducing bacteria. parasites like tapeworms are macroscopic, they wouldn't fit in a blood sample.

[hkmaly 490]

2 minutes ago, Scotty said:

I never really paid much attention to the prequel trilogy, but I was under the impression that it was some radioactive enzyme that was produced in the body, everyone had it to a degree but some that produced higher levels had the potential to become Jedi or Sith.

Midichlorians are very similar to mitochondria, only they produce Force instead of chemical energy.

[Haylo 57]

Why, oh why couldn't they have identified the midiwhatsits as immaterial "sparkles" of The Force, instead of making them out to have physical reality? That's the part (where they treat them as real physical entities) that doesn't fit the "feel" of the other facets of The Force.