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Gee, it does feel like it is plasma. Light containing gas like a plasma ball. Eh, the knowledge is not yet comprehensive.

Oi, telegrams are obsolete!

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7 minutes ago, InfiniteRemnant said:

that's a common misconception. plasma is not a gas.

A "gas" with higher ionization energy. Then we would say a Bose-Einstein is a "plasma" with higher ionization energy, huh?

Considering that, it is not really "hot enough", but more of "energized enough".

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11 hours ago, ProfessorTomoe said:

http://www.egscomics.com/?id=2197

Nice skirts, ladies. ;)

Comparing the June 3 comic, it looks like the skirts have ridden up.

So the beam can reflect off mirrors, but not less reflective surfaces.
Problem is, not all mirrors are equally reflective.  What is the reflectivity threshold?

Adam and Jamie for reference
http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/polishing-a-turd-minimyth/

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well, the best mirrors show a clear, undistorted, untinted image. that's somewhere to start at least. 

the question is what the factor that causes it to break down is? tint? Distortion of shape/size? clarity of detail? all three?

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17 hours ago, ProfessorTomoe said:

Nice skirts, ladies. ;)

Agree, but note that we already saw them (although not from such good angle) on first page of Requestioning.

12 hours ago, Stature said:

Conservation of Energy is my witness.

You need to let it go. Thermodynamic laws are powerless because they are declared for isolated system. Any system containing magic is NOT isolated - as can be proved by any summoner in few seconds. Any speculations about where wizards get energy for their fireballs pale in comparison with someone using ice magic, which means draining gigantic amount of energy from the surroundings which has lower temperature than the mage and dumping it - well, apparently in different dimension. Unless it's used to materialize water molecules, in which case "only" the second law will be violated.

6 hours ago, Aura Guardian said:

Maybe the mirrors are because the mirrors are intended to reflect things, thus altering their metaphysical properties to reflect many forms of an intent-associated magic?

Or it may be because the structure of spell will collapse if less than 95% of particles is reflected.

24 minutes ago, InfiniteRemnant said:

well, the best mirrors show a clear, undistorted, untinted image. that's somewhere to start at least. 

the question is what the factor that causes it to break down is? tint? Distortion of shape/size? clarity of detail? all three?

... needs some experiments.

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I'm being told light can have "a push to it".

Indeed it does. Photons are massless only when at rest, in which case they immediately disappear. Photons which are part of light move at speed of light and carry kinetic energy. Of course, photons with enough energy to push Vlad (who had at least 50kg, likely more) several meters would likely melt him. You need VERY reflective mirrors to get any meaningful push before they start to heat up.

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Indeed it does. Photons are massless only when at rest, in which case they immediately disappear. Photons which are part of light move at speed of light and carry kinetic energy. Of course, photons with enough energy to push Vlad (who had at least 50kg, likely more) several meters would likely melt him. You need VERY reflective mirrors to get any meaningful push before they start to heat up.

If by melt you mean "explode and cover the room with a hot red mist" you are correct.  The several megajules of energy (possibly even gigajules) dumped onto him would have flash boiled all the water in his body resulting in something that even the Mythbusters would call an explosion.  Laser weapons, even the experimental ones we have now, are not nice clean "cauterize the wound and make a little hole".   They make crap blow up. 

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You could just say that beam magic uses photon particles and weak magnetic fields to display the affect as well as carry the enchantment. The magnetic fields would both hold the beam together and add to the push while keeping the photonic energy low enough to not be harmful but still be flashy for the effect.

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10 minutes ago, InfiniteRemnant said:

how does that account for the outer spiral thingy?

Side effect of the magnetic fields?

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3 hours ago, mlooney said:
4 hours ago, InfiniteRemnant said:

how does that account for the outer spiral thingy?

Side effect of the magnetic fields?

Yeah, there could be multiple fields being used to create that effect.

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Wait ... I just realized ... "TF gun defaults to 60 feet" ... seriously? Uryuom are using feets? That's even less likely than them using meters!

6 hours ago, mlooney said:

If by melt you mean "explode and cover the room with a hot red mist" you are correct.  The several megajules of energy (possibly even gigajules) dumped onto him would have flash boiled all the water in his body resulting in something that even the Mythbusters would call an explosion.  Laser weapons, even the experimental ones we have now, are not nice clean "cauterize the wound and make a little hole".   They make crap blow up. 

Laser weapons we have now are WEAK. I didn't noticed any red on Hiroshima photos. There can't be any hot red mist when the water skips gas and goes directly to plasma. Although I'm not disputing the part about explosion: using photons with such big energy on short distance OR inside atmosphere wouldn't be good idea and definitely couldn't be described as precise, except in the sentence "that's precisely why I told you not to do it".

PS: The next SI prefix is "tera". We might need it.

5 hours ago, Scotty said:

You could just say that beam magic uses photon particles and weak magnetic fields to display the affect as well as carry the enchantment. The magnetic fields would both hold the beam together and add to the push while keeping the photonic energy low enough to not be harmful but still be flashy for the effect.

Magnetic fields wouldn't be able to hold photons. Obviously, the photons emitted by spell are not created on casting and then directed, but instead are result of the spell travelling through atmosphere or created by degrading of other, non-photon components of spell.

1 hour ago, Scotty said:
5 hours ago, mlooney said:
5 hours ago, InfiniteRemnant said:

how does that account for the outer spiral thingy?

Side effect of the magnetic fields?

Yeah, there could be multiple fields being used to create that effect.

Definitely. And what we see provides very incomplete informations of what is really happening. Of course, TEDD can see what is really happening, but can't record it and likely isn't good enough poet to describe it.

 

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7 hours ago, hkmaly said:

Wait ... I just realized ... "TF gun defaults to 60 feet" ... seriously? Uryuom are using feets? That's even less likely than them using meters!

Several possibilities.
1.  The prototype Will and Gillian left with Tedd was not a ranged weapon.  As our resident mad scientist tweaked the device, he set the range in increments with which he was familiar.  Perhaps 60 feet is the longest straight line distance in his lab, or in the secluded area of the yard.

2.  For security purposes, certain operational details of the device, like the exact range, must remain classified.  In that case, 60 feet is probably an underestimate of the effective range, but one that does not contradict details already presented in the comic.

3.  This answer is a quick summary for the Q&A and too much detail would just get in the way.  "Under nominal conditions at the target range, the device is 95.61% accurate at distances less than 18.673 meters, and there are anecdotal accounts of transformations at distances approaching 22 meters in the field."

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23 minutes ago, Pharaoh RutinTutin said:
7 hours ago, hkmaly said:

Wait ... I just realized ... "TF gun defaults to 60 feet" ... seriously? Uryuom are using feets? That's even less likely than them using meters!

Several possibilities.
1.  The prototype Will and Gillian left with Tedd was not a ranged weapon.  As our resident mad scientist tweaked the device, he set the range in increments with which he was familiar.  Perhaps 60 feet is the longest straight line distance in his lab, or in the secluded area of the yard.

2.  For security purposes, certain operational details of the device, like the exact range, must remain classified.  In that case, 60 feet is probably an underestimate of the effective range, but one that does not contradict details already presented in the comic.

3.  This answer is a quick summary for the Q&A and too much detail would just get in the way.  "Under nominal conditions at the target range, the device is 95.61% accurate at distances less than 18.673 meters, and there are anecdotal accounts of transformations at distances approaching 22 meters in the field."

or 4. The distance shown in the TFG's manual would have shown the range in whatever unit of measurement Uryuoms use, and Tedd just converted it into feet probably by measuring the beam himself, though considering Uryuoms have been on Earth for at least a couple generations, an Uryuom>Earthling conversion system has likely been figured out and now we have metric, imperial, and Uryuomocco.

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