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NP, Wednesday September 14, 2016

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19 hours ago, hkmaly said:

There are definitely Homo sapiens which would deserve to be treated nonethically for how they treated other Homo sapiens.

Within the bounds of just retribution, yes.  What "ethical" means in this case I will not attempt to go into.

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12 hours ago, The Old Hack said:
12 hours ago, Drasvin said:

Furthermore, there has been no indication that an immortal can grant spells to someone who has already awakened.

Not quite. It is not stated outright, but... I believe it is safe to say that it is at the very least hinted that Pandora might have been acting here.

Hmm..I can see how that could be interpreted as Pandora gave her the spell, but I interpreted it as Pandora commenting on how Nanase was pushing herself until she 'leveled up' and earned the spell like any other spell she'd earned. Just she really, REALLY wanted a spell to protect Ellen with, and was a enough powerful spellcaster to get a really powerful protective spell. And the situation being really dramatic (Made more dramatic by Pandora's awesome narration) probably helped her get such an awesome spell as well.

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2 minutes ago, Drasvin said:

Hmm..I can see how that could be interpreted as Pandora gave her the spell, but I interpreted it as Pandora commenting on how Nanase was pushing herself until she 'leveled up' and earned the spell like any other spell she'd earned. Just she really, REALLY wanted a spell to protect Ellen with, and was a enough powerful spellcaster to get a really powerful protective spell. And the situation being really dramatic (Made more dramatic by Pandora's awesome narration) probably helped her get such an awesome spell as well.

Certainly! Your interpretation might very well be the correct one, too. I just wanted to mention how I personally had interpreted it.

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16 hours ago, mlooney said:
22 hours ago, hkmaly said:

So what. Ants also use tools. We can't be sure sentience is necessary for tool making.

Ant's use tools that they find.  Humans, some great apes, crows and octopuses make tools out of something.

Once you reach the level of making tools to make tools, which right now is limited to humans and Corvids you are now using technology.

Humans nowadays rarely use tools which would be POSSIBLE to create without tools created by other tools. I don't think corvids got that far :)

16 hours ago, mlooney said:
22 hours ago, hkmaly said:

This is something like "birds are dinosaurs", right?

No, it's like "humans are great apes"

Are you sure it's not like "birds are dinosaurs?

6 hours ago, Cpt. Obvious said:

Whales and dolphins are both cetacea. The smallest of them is the Maui dolphin which usually is about a meter in length and weigh about 50 kg, and the largest are the blue whales which can be almost 30 meters long and weigh nearly 200,000 kg.

I know, but that doesn't make whales dolphins or dolphins whales.

13 hours ago, Drasvin said:
20 hours ago, hkmaly said:

Water doesn't need mind to flow down.

Water also doesn't have to decide on subjective states, like 'what makes a situation suitably dramatic'

It only seems subjective to humans. Soap is able to solve  Steiner tree problem, which is NP complete ...

9 hours ago, Scotty said:
13 hours ago, The Old Hack said:

Not quite. It is not stated outright, but... I believe it is safe to say that it is at the very least hinted that Pandora might have been acting here.

If Pandora didn't outright give Nanase the spell, she might have provided the energy for Nanase to continue using magic until she fulfilled whatever requirement needed to earn the spell. Nanase is Tedd's cousin so I would imagine Pandora considers her family, if Nanase was to burnout before she obtained the guardian form spell, she would have failed to protect Ellen and it would have been devastating. It wouldn't break the guide and empower rule to give Nanase an extra push to keep fighting.

If Pandora didn't wake Nanase, she would likely sleep through Ellen's death. Just like Grace. Who DID saw that as failure.

But, yes, it seems like she orchestrated the events very carefully for Nanase to get that spell.

29 minutes ago, Drasvin said:

Hmm..I can see how that could be interpreted as Pandora gave her the spell, but I interpreted it as Pandora commenting on how Nanase was pushing herself until she 'leveled up' and earned the spell like any other spell she'd earned. Just she really, REALLY wanted a spell to protect Ellen with, and was a enough powerful spellcaster to get a really powerful protective spell. And the situation being really dramatic (Made more dramatic by Pandora's awesome narration) probably helped her get such an awesome spell as well.

She didn't directly gave her the spell in similar way how marks works, but she might influenced what spell Nanase got a lot.

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5 minutes ago, Pharaoh RutinTutin said:

Humans are related to apes?  Sure, I'll buy that.

But why must humans be "Great" apes?  Must we label everything to feed the human ego?

Sorry, that's my fault. I'm so awesome that it retroactively made even closely related other species great.

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9 minutes ago, Pharaoh RutinTutin said:

But why must humans be "Great" apes?  Must we label everything to feed the human ego?

That's not for our sake. That's for the poor apes. They are already embarrassed enough by having us in the family. This way they at least get a sop to their egos.

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3 minutes ago, Pharaoh RutinTutin said:
17 hours ago, mlooney said:

No, it's like "humans are great apes"

Humans are related to apes?  Sure, I'll buy that.

But why must humans be "Great" apes?  Must we label everything to feed the human ego?

Well ... too late for that. I suspect we called gorillas great apes before we proved they are closer to us than other apes (except pans). And it might not even be for ego - gorillas ARE big.

Of course, the main case of ego around this is calling humans Homo sapiens. As Terry Pratchett mentioned, calling us Pan narrans (storytelling chimpanzee) would be more accurate.

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