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Just now, Tom Sewell said:

There isn't anyplace closer to Chicago than Ontario where a 19-year-old can buy booze legally

You're assuming that everyone at the party was under 21 though, which probably isn't the case, and even the 19 year olds could have smuggled booze in after they got a 21+ person to buy it for them. When I turned 19, I had several 16-17 year olds, including my brother, ask me to buy beer for them.

Just now, Tom Sewell said:

It just struck me as peculiar that no one in that story mentioned anything about the legal drinking age, even Mama Kitsune talking to Nanase about drinking.

Just now, Illjwamh said:

Why would they mention it? Everyone knows what it is, and everyone knows everyone else knows what it is. That would be like finding it weird they didn't talk about the need to wear clothes at the party.

Also, it's pretty much a given that college parties are going to have underage drinking. The fact that Nanase had to promise her mom that she and Ellen wouldn't drink at the party would imply that Mama Kitsune was emphasizing the legality (or lack of) of it, but Nanase also mentioned that there'd be situations where she would drink as long as certain conditions were met. I think Mama Kitsune would have been ok with Nanase drinking if say it was Grace's 21st birthday and they were all at Tedd's house with Edward not far and they stayed overnight again. Grace being 21 at that point would make her legal age but she's the oldest of the group, everyone else would still be underage.

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I had a roommate on the women's gymnastics team in college, and she said that she and her teammates (not sure how much of the team) were going to get together, and the younger team members would be able to drink for the first time, and experience what getting drunk was like, in a safe environment where they had their older teammates, still sober, to look after them and make sure they didn't do anything stupid.  It sounded like the sort of thing that could potentially be abused and turn into hazing, but if it wasn't, it might be a way to remove some of the pressure some college kids feel, that they are supposed to find out what drinking and getting drunk was like now that they're "adults."  Once they've already done it, then they could be more confident telling others, "No, thanks, two's my limit" or "I get sick when I drink, and you don't want to have to clean that up," or somesuch.  Again, not ideal, but maybe better than the alternatives, such as going to a party with only friends the same age who are equally inexperienced....

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25 minutes ago, CritterKeeper said:

I had a roommate on the women's gymnastics team in college, and she said that she and her teammates (not sure how much of the team) were going to get together, and the younger team members would be able to drink for the first time, and experience what getting drunk was like, in a safe environment where they had their older teammates, still sober, to look after them and make sure they didn't do anything stupid.  It sounded like the sort of thing that could potentially be abused and turn into hazing, but if it wasn't, it might be a way to remove some of the pressure some college kids feel, that they are supposed to find out what drinking and getting drunk was like now that they're "adults."  Once they've already done it, then they could be more confident telling others, "No, thanks, two's my limit" or "I get sick when I drink, and you don't want to have to clean that up," or somesuch.  Again, not ideal, but maybe better than the alternatives, such as going to a party with only friends the same age who are equally inexperienced....

Mph. As a kid I never did see the attraction. I was the social outcast and responded in the very mature way of taking pride in never doing what the other kids thought was cool. Drinking was one of these things.

Also, my mother was an alcoholic and drank enough to ruin four lives. This led me to a conclusion I have not once had any reason to change. If I don't begin, I don't have to stop.

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6 hours ago, The Old Hack said:

Mph. As a kid I never did see the attraction. I was the social outcast and responded in the very mature way of taking pride in never doing what the other kids thought was cool. Drinking was one of these things.

Also, my mother was an alcoholic and drank enough to ruin four lives. This led me to a conclusion I have not once had any reason to change. If I don't begin, I don't have to stop.

Pretty much the same thing for me, except it was my father who was the alcoholic, and he managed to stop before it completely ruined his life - though it took a number of tries over several years (not to mention a lot of help from Alcoholics Anonymous). As those years constituted a large chunk of my childhood, it made a big impression on me.

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2 minutes ago, ChronosCat said:

Pretty much the same thing for me, except it was my father who was the alcoholic, and he managed to stop before it completely ruined his life - though it took a number of tries over several years (not to mention a lot of help from Alcoholics Anonymous). As those years constituted a large chunk of my childhood, it made a big impression on me.

I am really glad he succeeded. And I am sorry you had to go through that.

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15 hours ago, The Old Hack said:

Mph. As a kid I never did see the attraction. I was the social outcast and responded in the very mature way of taking pride in never doing what the other kids thought was cool. Drinking was one of these things.

Same here, thankfully with no tragic family alcoholism story behind it.  I just didn't see the appeal nor the need.  I could relax and enjoy myself without any artificial help, and I grew up in a university town reading stories in the paper almost every weekend about kids getting drunk and falling off balconies, wandering into traffic, or getting mugged walking/staggering home from bars or parties in the wee hours.  Seemed to be all down side, no up side.

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Just now, CritterKeeper said:

Same here, thankfully with no tragic family alcoholism story behind it.  I just didn't see the appeal nor the need.  I could relax and enjoy myself without any artificial help, and I grew up in a university town reading stories in the paper almost every weekend about kids getting drunk and falling off balconies, wandering into traffic, or getting mugged walking/staggering home from bars or parties in the wee hours.  Seemed to be all down side, no up side.

Add in that I felt really uncomfortable when people around me started to drink -- and yes, I am aware of the irony that I didn't understand why until much later -- and I had less than zero motivation to start.

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23 hours ago, The Old Hack said:

Mph. As a kid I never did see the attraction. I was the social outcast and responded in the very mature way of taking pride in never doing what the other kids thought was cool. Drinking was one of these things.

Also, my mother was an alcoholic and drank enough to ruin four lives. This led me to a conclusion I have not once had any reason to change. If I don't begin, I don't have to stop.

With my background, I was raised to not drink alcohol, not that it was hard to not drink alcohol. I doubt I'll ever start knowing it'd be against my religion and all that.

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