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[Ten Waters]

I am starting this thead for those who read the novels. Be warned spoilers will be present. So those of us still waiting for chapter 18 here is a new sandbox.

[Ryvaken]

Excellent! Finally a place where I can spread chaos and disharmony!

One question that keeps bugging me in Thrice. How did the Sailor Moon Fan Club get into a position where they are making a clearly lucrative business off the Senshi when the Japanese government protects the Senshi and no one holds the trademarks on the Inners and Outers? You'd think that without endorsement the company would be unable to get off the ground, or there would be so many competing against eachother that the profit margin would be limited, and of course Nabiki shouldn't have been focused on just the one.

[burgerbecky]

Excellent! Finally a place where I can spread chaos and disharmony!

One question that keeps bugging me in Thrice. How did the Sailor Moon Fan Club get into a position where they are making a clearly lucrative business off the Senshi when the Japanese government protects the Senshi and no one holds the trademarks on the Inners and Outers? You'd think that without endorsement the company would be unable to get off the ground, or there would be so many competing against eachother that the profit margin would be limited, and of course Nabiki shouldn't have been focused on just the one.

I was running with a plot hole in the Sailor Moon canon. From day one of the Anime and Manga, there were video games, posters and even a movie based on Sailor V. Usagi kept gushing over it, and a whole episode in season one revolved around a cursed animator's pencil where the animator was drawing cells for the Sailor V Movie.

So, by Sailor Moon canon, there was some company out there, exploiting the Sailor Senshi for profit. Whoever runs the fan club would control a majority of the business.

When it comes to exploitation, who better than Nabiki Tendo to come in and take over? She's scary. In the manga, she refused to give a parachute to a guy falling from a plane to certain death because he refused to give her 10 yen (10 cents).

[Ryvaken]

Ahhh. I'm familiar with the Sailor V hole. Expanding that to cover the entire Senshi...interesting. I figured you were poking fun at a real entity -- the CEO seems to be designed to mock the greedy corporate jerk.

[burgerbecky]

Ahhh. I'm familiar with the Sailor V hole. Expanding that to cover the entire Senshi...interesting. I figured you were poking fun at a real entity -- the CEO seems to be designed to mock the greedy corporate jerk.

In the third and fifth seasons, there were references to Sailor Moon and Sailor Mercury toys, and in Stars, the girls were playing a Sailor Moon video game. So, it's canon the unknown company was exploiting the rest of the Senshi.

On the CEO, I modeled him after the worst kind of greedy corporate jerks, a Hollywood producer. Oh, they are snakes.

[Ryvaken]

Earlier than that. There's a Sailor Mercury doll in the 25th episode of the anime, the one Jupiter shows up in.

[burgerbecky]

Earlier than that. There's a Sailor Mercury doll in the 25th episode of the anime, the one Jupiter shows up in.

There you go!

[Ryvaken]

*shrug* I'm actually trying to watch that one right now. Which is entirely your fault, you know. If you hadn't written such engaging stories I wouldn't be trying to keep my synapses from bleeding

[Ten Waters]

Looking at all the balls you have in the air in chapter 17 of Thrice in a Millennium I was wondering how you were keeping track of them Gantt and PERT charts?

[burgerbecky]

Looking at all the balls you have in the air in chapter 17 of Thrice in a Millennium I was wondering how you were keeping track of them Gantt and PERT charts?

Neither. I have all twelve novels plotted out, as well as a novel in a possible spin off series. Since I know exactly what happens in every novel, it's pretty easy to keep track of it all.

[Ryvaken]

as well as a novel in a possible spin off series.

oOOOooooOO?

[burgerbecky]

oOOOooooOO?

Sailor Ranko 2500

[Ryvaken]

2500? *ponders* Interesting possibilities. Lots of interesting possibilities. But at the same time... Nope, I'll take my own twisted machinations to anything that could be written out of that. Tain't no fun when you add decades of maturity, let alone centuries. Begin the diabolical laughter!

[burgerbecky]

2500? *ponders* Interesting possibilities. Lots of interesting possibilities. But at the same time... Nope, I'll take my own twisted machinations to anything that could be written out of that. Tain't no fun when you add decades of maturity, let alone centuries. Begin the diabolical laughter!

The novel can be summed up in this sentence, "Sailor Ranko in space."

[Ryvaken]

.........
Okay, the sad thing is I flashed an image of a searing plasma blast blowing up the first Death Star. Worse, I liked it. And given the tendency you've shown to crossover with anything under the sun with excellent results, I rate it as a 38% probability.

[burgerbecky]

.........
Okay, the sad thing is I flashed an image of a searing plasma blast blowing up the first Death Star. Worse, I liked it. And given the tendency you've shown to crossover with anything under the sun with excellent results, I rate it as a 38% probability.

Imagine Sailor Sun and the gang ending up on Terra II, of Sabre Marionette. A world populated only by men and a single woman. All the women on the ship are magical girls.

Now, what if all Earth women were magical girls, does that mean Lorelei might awaken? What about the female babies? Maybe the men might think history was incorrect and they were the vangaurd of men trying to escape from female tyranny? Crystal Tokyo was ruled by a Queen after all.

How much of that was fact, and how much of it was confusion? When you read Sailor Ranko: The Weaker Sex, you'll know. Suffice to say, don't believe everything you read.

[Ryvaken]

Not familiar with your source material there.

Generally, I find that a character written after a timeskip of more than a few years is almost never well written. Either it's the same character and you wonder why he hasn't changed/grown/matured, or the character has changed/grown/matured and drifts into Mary Sue territory. Trying to hit the sweet spot between the two almost always requires invoking the Rule of Funny or Rule of Awesome, both of which are unreliable especially when trying to convince your audience that a paradigmatic shift is a good thing. And doing it simultaneously to your entire cast makes the issues even worse. Going for "SR in Space" has a good appeal to Rule of Awesome, but adding maturity or education to any of the Nerima Wrecking Crew or Inners is risky to the Rule of Funny. I think I started rambling a few sentences ago. Hmmm. Rule of Awesome. I could use that. Apply that that and the other. Take that out. Throw that in. HmmMMMmmmMMmm. Put the demonic laughter on hold.

[burgerbecky]

Not familiar with your source material there.

Generally, I find that a character written after a timeskip of more than a few years is almost never well written. Either it's the same character and you wonder why he hasn't changed/grown/matured, or the character has changed/grown/matured and drifts into Mary Sue territory. Trying to hit the sweet spot between the two almost always requires invoking the Rule of Funny or Rule of Awesome, both of which are unreliable especially when trying to convince your audience that a paradigmatic shift is a good thing. And doing it simultaneously to your entire cast makes the issues even worse. Going for "SR in Space" has a good appeal to Rule of Awesome, but adding maturity or education to any of the Nerima Wrecking Crew or Inners is risky to the Rule of Funny. I think I started rambling a few sentences ago. Hmmm. Rule of Awesome. I could use that. Apply that that and the other. Take that out. Throw that in. HmmMMMmmmMMmm. Put the demonic laughter on hold.

You can assume they have grown in experience and things have changed between them all, yet, they are still mentally unstable, arrogant, and the plaything of Murphy's Law.

Plus the story idea worked so well, I had no choice but to write the novel. It is quite funny, but I can't release it until Thrice In A Millennium, Memories Of Old and The Other Side are complete due to major spoilers

[Ryvaken]

Reeaaallly now. I figured Other Side to be just another "what if" tale where Ranma was born female. Entertaining, possibly, but generally unlikely to produce genuine character development or factor significantly into any later plotlines.

[burgerbecky]

Reeaaallly now. I figured Other Side to be just another "what if" tale where Ranma was born female. Entertaining, possibly, but generally unlikely to produce genuine character development or factor significantly into any later plotlines.

Nope. The Other Side is Ranma accidentally falls through a portal and ends up in a world where he was born female. The Sailor Senshi are there, but they never became Senshi, so they have no powers. While Ranma is causing mayhem (Since he thinks he's okay and everyone else forgot about him and just who is this "Ranko" person?) Sailor Jupiter, Io and some others form a rescue party and they jump from world to world (Think Sliders) trying to find the moron.