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Scotty

Story, Friday October 27, 2017

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1 hour ago, Scotty said:

Diane did so know about Rhoda being gay, I knew Rhoda and Catalina were worrying over nothing.

Considering how badly Rhoda and Catalina were hiding it, it would be surprising if detective Diane didn't noticed.

Also ... would she REALLY be ok with Rhoda before knowing about Nanase and getting over Rick? We can't say for certain now ... but she DID called Justin defective.

1 hour ago, Scotty said:

And I guess Diane did have a thing for Rick as well.

And possibly still has, despite the claim to be 100% over it.

51 minutes ago, weirdee said:

great job, you came here to connect with possible family and now you've given her an existential crisis

Susan should retaliate with proving that Diane is nerd.

34 minutes ago, partner555 said:

At this point, I have to wonder, is there a truly straight person among the teenagers?

It took you this long?

Actually, Charlotte might be. But main eight were obviously lacking straight person since Sarah started thinking about it. This is only confirmation of what was suspected for long time.

(Note: I hope that Susan did the test properly and imagined ELLIOT.)

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31 minutes ago, partner555 said:

At this point, I have to wonder, is there a truly straight person among the teenagers?

Seems like Tedd is straight, but is trying to learn to like Grace in male form.  Which, put that bluntly, seems way too close to a gay person trying to change their orientation....

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29 minutes ago, CritterKeeper said:
1 hour ago, partner555 said:

At this point, I have to wonder, is there a truly straight person among the teenagers?

Seems like Tedd is straight, but is trying to learn to like Grace in male form.  Which, put that bluntly, seems way too close to a gay person trying to change their orientation....

Tedd is genderfluid and can actually transform to other gender, and not even just enchantment, real deal. Calling him straight is either meaningless or would imply he likes boys and only boys when girl, which doesn't seem to be the case. Grace is actually closer to being straight than Tedd.

(Also, we declared Elliot not "truly straight" based on his feelings when transformed too, didn't we?)

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10 minutes ago, WR...S said:

...so... Diane accepts she has a crush on a girl, but her inner monologue about accepting LGBT people is entirely second-hand?

Of course. In long tradition of hypocrisy, what you accept for yourself have nothing to do with what you accept for others. :)

If she wouldn't be ready to accept homosexuality, she could easily claim her crush on Nanase is something different. Maybe even platonic.

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55 minutes ago, partner555 said:

At this point, I have to wonder, is there a truly straight person among the teenagers?

In the context of three people who can (and two of them frequently do) change their own sex and two people who can change other people's sex, and several people who occasionally consent to have their sex changed, "straight" is a rather vague concept.

Even without the magic, it becomes imprecise when dealing with people who aren't solidly cisgender. (Which I suspect is a lot more common than people think, because people who are agender or gender-neutral are reasonably likely to just accept their default gender assignment without question.)

This can easily become a case of trying to force the terrain to fit a somewhat-inaccurate and low-detail map.

 

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Elliot's still the undisputed EGS champion of gender issues because he has four different sexual orientation: Whatever he has in his "normal" forms and three distinct ones for his three alter-egos. It should be interesting for Susan and Diane to get around this factoid they don't seem to know about as yet.

I hope the girls don't starve to death before getting to the food court.

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40 minutes ago, Don Edwards said:
1 hour ago, partner555 said:

At this point, I have to wonder, is there a truly straight person among the teenagers?

In the context of three people who can (and two of them frequently do) change their own sex and two people who can change other people's sex, and several people who occasionally consent to have their sex changed, "straight" is a rather vague concept.

Meanwhile, "truly straight" might easily mean "cisgender heterosexual".

41 minutes ago, Don Edwards said:

Even without the magic, it becomes imprecise when dealing with people who aren't solidly cisgender. (Which I suspect is a lot more common than people think, because people who are agender or gender-neutral are reasonably likely to just accept their default gender assignment without question.)

Not speaking about the fact that almost all numbers between zero and one are neither.

46 minutes ago, Don Edwards said:

This can easily become a case of trying to force the terrain to fit a somewhat-inaccurate and low-detail map.

THAT can be done quite easily with some explosives. I don't think you can fit person to some gender/sex category using explosives, unless you count "dead" as such category.

4 minutes ago, Tom Sewell said:

Elliot's still the undisputed EGS champion of gender issues because he has four different sexual orientation: Whatever he has in his "normal" forms and three distinct ones for his three alter-egos.

... true ...

11 minutes ago, Tom Sewell said:

It should be interesting for Susan and Diane to get around this factoid they don't seem to know about as yet.

Luckily, Ashley doesn't care.

11 minutes ago, Tom Sewell said:

I hope the girls don't starve to death before getting to the food court.

Elliot and Ashley survived. Rhoda and Catalina survived. I think they have quite good chance.

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2 hours ago, hkmaly said:

Tedd is genderfluid and can actually transform to other gender, and not even just enchantment, real deal. Calling him straight is either meaningless or would imply he likes boys and only boys when girl, which doesn't seem to be the case. Grace is actually closer to being straight than Tedd.

(Also, we declared Elliot not "truly straight" based on his feelings when transformed too, didn't we?)

Grace's attraction is more based on the other person's mind rather than their body, so I would say that her sexuality isn't defined by human standards, but more from her other heritage. Even "sapiosexual" (a term that I don't entirely approve of) would go in an entirely different direction.

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Ooh, character growth!!(??) Then again, love is a feeling AND a choice. Take it slow.

*rereads* Oh. *stifles*

How about Noah, even though he sports a very long hairstyle?

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6 hours ago, hkmaly said:

Also ... would she REALLY be ok with Rhoda before knowing about Nanase and getting over Rick? We can't say for certain now ... but she DID called Justin defective.

She might have treated Justin the way she did because he reminded her of Rick? Maybe she had the same experience with Rick that Melissa had with Justin and when she heard about Justin from Melissa's Sister in school, it hit close to home?

6 hours ago, hkmaly said:

If she wouldn't be ready to accept homosexuality, she could easily claim her crush on Nanase is something different. Maybe even platonic.

I think over the course of the past couple weeks, she's really been looking at how she feels about things, or maybe she's known this for a while (like back when she was trying to recruit Nanase into her group)

Overall, it's possible that Diane considered gay men in a separate category than gay women back then, like "it's ok if women are gay because they don't affect me" so it's not like she would have thought all gay people were defective, just gay men.

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9 hours ago, Scotty said:

Diane did so know about Rhoda being gay, I knew Rhoda and Catalina were worrying over nothing.

I had always figured it was Lucy (? the 3rd escort girl) and not Diane whose reaction she was worried about. 

It only takes 1 person to ruin a group friendship, and Lucy seemed more likely to have a reaction causing a breakup to me. 

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2 hours ago, Scotty said:
9 hours ago, hkmaly said:
10 hours ago, Scotty said:

Diane did so know about Rhoda being gay, I knew Rhoda and Catalina were worrying over nothing.

Considering how badly Rhoda and Catalina were hiding it, it would be surprising if detective Diane didn't noticed.

Also ... would she REALLY be ok with Rhoda before knowing about Nanase and getting over Rick? We can't say for certain now ... but she DID called Justin defective.

She might have treated Justin the way she did because he reminded her of Rick? Maybe she had the same experience with Rick that Melissa had with Justin and when she heard about Justin from Melissa's Sister in school, it hit close to home?

I think over the course of the past couple weeks, she's really been looking at how she feels about things, or maybe she's known this for a while (like back when she was trying to recruit Nanase into her group)

Overall, it's possible that Diane considered gay men in a separate category than gay women back then, like "it's ok if women are gay because they don't affect me" so it's not like she would have thought all gay people were defective, just gay men.

Diane has grown over time. When first introduced she was extremely shallow, and the only interest she seemed to have in men was in how much money and gifts she could get out of them. Looking at it that way gay men were "defective" as they didn't serve what she considered their only purpose; spending money on gifts and pampering her. 

This didn't make her a nice person, or the comment any less offensive, but at least it wasn't necessarily based on homophobia.

Edited by Cpt. Obvious
Iduno?

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Word of Dan says Susan is, to put into terms, a very imaginative ace. Still does not discount her orientation, though.

But yup, never have thought of anyone doing the dirty because *shrug*.

My workaround statement now is "not the major characters".

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8 hours ago, partner555 said:

At this point, I have to wonder, is there a truly straight person among the teenagers?

People are complicated. The human brain desires categorization and labels as it simplifies data processing, which in a survival situation can improve the odds of surviving, but the more one tries to fit people into categories, the more outliers become apparent. So to properly and fairly categorize the outliers, one would either need to blur the lines of the categories or create new categories to place the outliers into, both options reduce the effectiveness of the categories as processing shortcuts. And that's even before one gets into the complexities that come with dealing with transformations and other aspects of magic and/or super-science that one finds in EGS.

If transformations and such weren't a factor, Elliot probably would fit in the straight category, but then again, maybe not going by this page (He certainly wouldn't have had that revelation without transformations though, given he's adverse to introspection). Though he probably is the closest to straight out of the main cast. There are possibly straight people in the secondary cast, but there is insufficient data to be certain. My best guesses would be Melissa is straight. Noah might be as well, though there's also the possibility that he has more of a Uryuom style attraction, like Grace does.

 

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1 hour ago, Drasvin said:

Noah might be as well, though there's also the possibility that he has more of a Uryuom style attraction, like Grace does.

I thought that was a given.

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Noah can't be uryuom since he uses human magic. Still, he seems in many ways to be the Moperville analog of Archie from Ellen's Second Life.

And while we're on the subject of Noah, wouldn't it be natural for Noah to be at the mall, maybe helping out Raven? Susan hasn't met Noah yet. Or Melissa, though of course Susan has heard a lot about Melissa from Justin.

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3 hours ago, Tom Sewell said:

Noah can't be uryuom since he uses human magic. Still, he seems in many ways to be the Moperville analog of Archie from Ellen's Second Life.

And while we're on the subject of Noah, wouldn't it be natural for Noah to be at the mall, maybe helping out Raven? Susan hasn't met Noah yet. Or Melissa, though of course Susan has heard a lot about Melissa from Justin.

Individuals of uryuom decent can use human magic as long as they also have some human heritage. I doubt Noah would have much Uryuom power, and he definitely had the incentive to become stronger (and someone to teach him how to get stronger)

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