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Story Wednesday December 27, 2017

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30 minutes ago, Drasvin said:
17 hours ago, hkmaly said:

Lot of them, yes. But HOW will they get everyone, if changing the rules needs everyone to agree? If there is no pre-agreed way to summon the congregate, it may require literally waiting for everyone to reset and finding them before they learn to hide.

It's certainly a conundrum, though I doubt that they'll have to wait for everyone to reset. Immortals are going to be paying attention to the world around them (otherwise they would likely get bored) and therefor one could try to get their attention by spread rumors of the congregation through the magical community. Such a grapevine attempt would be more than a little hit-or-miss, as there would be little to no way to know which part of the world a given Immortal is paying attention to, but is potentially more expedient than just waiting for the stragglers to reset.

They can't overdo it with that getting attention because they presumably will want to keep it secret even from the magical community - and there may be lot of immortals who don't pay attention to magical community and keep themselves entertained by non-magical one.

Remember that the question isn't how to get most ... it's how to get everyone.

34 minutes ago, Drasvin said:
17 hours ago, hkmaly said:

Note that both points would be easily overcame simply by erring on the side of sending the energy. The cases where someone gets away with breaking the rules will be very rare, but it COULD happen, and Pandora killing bunch of vampires might qualify.

Erring on the side of sending the energy risks significant feelings of regret if the Immortal isn't certain in the decision, especially if they go over the evidence more closely and realize they should have done differently (Such could happen with the opposite, but with sending the energy, the Immortal has likely killed someone and destroyed a significant amount of the knowledge they carried with them) The energy being sent automatically also absolves the Immortals of the responsibility of the rule-breakers death. They don't have a choice in sending the energy, so the weight of decision is entirely on that of the rule-breaker.

Not at all. The best way to remove regret is already implemented - the group effect. You will be unlikely to feel regret unless you think your opinion was deciding factor, and we can assume much less than half of immortals is needed to force the reset in most cases.

Why do you think execution by firing squad was developed? It's multiple people deliberately firing at once, so it's not possible to say if any specific one killed the prisoner.

33 minutes ago, Drasvin said:
17 hours ago, hkmaly said:

Also, you assume the information is told, but it is actually transmitted telepatically, which likely makes much easier to work through it. And the mechanism likely makes impossible to directly lie and hard to lie indirectly.

I'm not sure about you, but I've had times were I've had to stop and untangle my own thoughts. And information being transmitted telepathically doesn't mean that information is instantly processed and understood. Just means the information is readily available in their minds. They will still have to think it over and process the information.

You also presumably aren't fairy :)

But yes, the young ones might have hard time untangling it ...

38 minutes ago, Drasvin said:

Also, if the transmitted information works like a lot of Immortals stuff (their laws and their vows), then they don't have to lie so much as convince themselves of what their motives are.

It would still be hard.

39 minutes ago, Drasvin said:
17 hours ago, hkmaly said:

Meanwhile, if it's automatic, why other immortals get the information about what the rule breaker did in first place?

For one, so they know what their energy is being used for. For two, so the altruistic among them can attempt some sort of damage control if needed. For three, depending on how much Immortals socialize (the one's we've seen don't socialize with others much, but Pandora admitted she might be introverted, Zeus has been busy trying to fulfill the vow he got saddled with, Voltaire is a jerk, and H&D are more than a little clueless from being improperly reset and are also busy with following Elliot and 'recruiting' vampire hunters) it could be a means to let other know what happened to their friend or that a given Immortal might be dangerous to hang out with. And for four: It reinforces that, even if they have the best of intentions, they should not break the rules, ever.

Hmmm ... true, all good points, but only for transmitting the "what she did". The "why" is barely needed for  point four.

And I don't think immortals socialize much. If Zeus wouldn't be busy with vow, he would be busy crashing parties - HUMAN parties. Although he presumably did hang out with Hanma in past.

 

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34 minutes ago, hkmaly said:
1 hour ago, Drasvin said:
18 hours ago, hkmaly said:

Note that both points would be easily overcame simply by erring on the side of sending the energy. The cases where someone gets away with breaking the rules will be very rare, but it COULD happen, and Pandora killing bunch of vampires might qualify.

Erring on the side of sending the energy risks significant feelings of regret if the Immortal isn't certain in the decision, especially if they go over the evidence more closely and realize they should have done differently (Such could happen with the opposite, but with sending the energy, the Immortal has likely killed someone and destroyed a significant amount of the knowledge they carried with them) The energy being sent automatically also absolves the Immortals of the responsibility of the rule-breakers death. They don't have a choice in sending the energy, so the weight of decision is entirely on that of the rule-breaker.

Not at all. The best way to remove regret is already implemented - the group effect. You will be unlikely to feel regret unless you think your opinion was deciding factor, and we can assume much less than half of immortals is needed to force the reset in most cases.

Why do you think execution by firing squad was developed? It's multiple people deliberately firing at once, so it's not possible to say if any specific one killed the prisoner.

Execution by firing squad also incorporates one or more blank cartridges, so the individuals firing don't even know if they fired a live round. With the sending of energy, they don't get that comfort. They will for certain have contributed to the death of another person. They might not have been the deciding factor, but there isn't really a deciding factor with simultaneous, combined action. No one individual can say they were the one that killed the person, but they choose to contribute. They all have blood on their hands. That's another thing. With the sending of energy, it's a conscious choice, whereas firing squad is typically an assignment.

58 minutes ago, hkmaly said:
1 hour ago, Drasvin said:
18 hours ago, hkmaly said:

Meanwhile, if it's automatic, why other immortals get the information about what the rule breaker did in first place?

For one, so they know what their energy is being used for. For two, so the altruistic among them can attempt some sort of damage control if needed. For three, depending on how much Immortals socialize (the one's we've seen don't socialize with others much, but Pandora admitted she might be introverted, Zeus has been busy trying to fulfill the vow he got saddled with, Voltaire is a jerk, and H&D are more than a little clueless from being improperly reset and are also busy with following Elliot and 'recruiting' vampire hunters) it could be a means to let other know what happened to their friend or that a given Immortal might be dangerous to hang out with. And for four: It reinforces that, even if they have the best of intentions, they should not break the rules, ever.

Hmmm ... true, all good points, but only for transmitting the "what she did". The "why" is barely needed for  point four.

The "why" helps reinforce the "even if they have the best of intentions" part. Even if an Immortal broke the rules to save the world, she still broke the rules and as such suffers the penalty. (Also nicely ties into the Immortals being fairies. Only a fool breaks a deal with a fairy, even if breaking the deal was an accident)

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