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She's optimist. When it would be peace treaty situation, they wouldn't be giving the quest to adventurer.

Adventurers usually get those jobs which are win-win scenarios because either they kill something or will be killed.

Actually, ninja turtles would be FANTASTIC post-apocalyptic example.  IF they would be from Dimension X and not Earth native. Well, "native".

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She clearly doesn't remember the last time she attempted a pacifist run of a game.

Yeah, non canon realities and such, but I'd like to think that even Rad Squirrel could have been canon, and this one could be as well if we chose to believe that Tedd made the wand that Sarah's using.

7 hours ago, hkmaly said:

Adventurers usually get those jobs which are win-win scenarios because either they kill something or will be killed.

There were a couple cases in Skyrim that felt like that, the Gildergreen quest for instance, Danica tasks you with getting a knife from Hagravens, and when you return she literally says  "oh, I didn't think that you would come back."  I mean, I guess she might assume I gave up, but the tone of her voice sounded more like she thought she had sent me to my death.

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12 hours ago, hkmaly said:

Actually, ninja turtles would be FANTASTIC post-apocalyptic example.  IF they would be from Dimension X and not Earth native. Well, "native".

Why would their being from Dimension X make them a good post-apocalyptic example? (Are you suggesting Dimension X is post-apocalyptic?)

At any rate, the Turtles themselves may not be from Dimension X, but in several continuities (in particular the 1987 and 2012 animated series) the mutagen that transformed them originated there.

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Just now, ChronosCat said:

Why would their being from Dimension X make them a good post-apocalyptic example? (Are you suggesting Dimension X is post-apocalyptic?)

At any rate, the Turtles themselves may not be from Dimension X, but in several continuities (in particular the 1987 and 2012 animated series) the mutagen that transformed them originated there.

Might be the closest equivalents to the Zeta aliens from the Fallout series.

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10 hours ago, Scotty said:

She clearly doesn't remember the last time she attempted a pacifist run of a game.

She remembers and will probably never go to that extreme length to keep it pacifist, however that doesn't mean she's not trying at all.

10 hours ago, Scotty said:
17 hours ago, hkmaly said:

Adventurers usually get those jobs which are win-win scenarios because either they kill something or will be killed.

There were a couple cases in Skyrim that felt like that, the Gildergreen quest for instance, Danica tasks you with getting a knife from Hagravens, and when you return she literally says  "oh, I didn't think that you would come back."  I mean, I guess she might assume I gave up, but the tone of her voice sounded more like she thought she had sent me to my death.

No, the "win-win" is for cases where you basically don't care who will die. This sounds like she either preferred if you died, or expected you will have extremely low chance to success.

4 hours ago, ChronosCat said:
17 hours ago, hkmaly said:

Actually, ninja turtles would be FANTASTIC post-apocalyptic example.  IF they would be from Dimension X and not Earth native. Well, "native".

Why would their being from Dimension X make them a good post-apocalyptic example? (Are you suggesting Dimension X is post-apocalyptic?)

I must admit I didn't saw Ninja Turtles for long time, but it definitely felt that way.

 

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44 minutes ago, hkmaly said:

I must admit I didn't saw Ninja Turtles for long time, but it definitely felt that way.

Well, it's certainly war-torn, but my impression is that either Dimension X has always been in a state of war, or that the warring factions are continuations of pre-war civilizations, not new factions that arose following some catastrophe. (Note that this is based on the 1987 & 2012 animated versions, and the Archie TMNT Adventures comic; I haven't seen the latest movie or the IDW comics, which I understand also have Dimension X in them.) Of course, the final result is still pretty bleak anyway, so this may just be a matter of how one defines the term "post apocalypse'. 

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8 hours ago, ChronosCat said:
9 hours ago, hkmaly said:

I must admit I didn't saw Ninja Turtles for long time, but it definitely felt that way.

Well, it's certainly war-torn, but my impression is that either Dimension X has always been in a state of war, or that the warring factions are continuations of pre-war civilizations, not new factions that arose following some catastrophe. (Note that this is based on the 1987 & 2012 animated versions, and the Archie TMNT Adventures comic; I haven't seen the latest movie or the IDW comics, which I understand also have Dimension X in them.) Of course, the final result is still pretty bleak anyway, so this may just be a matter of how one defines the term "post apocalypse'. 

Well ... permanent war or not, intelligent life can only develop on planet with richer biosphere. So the options are:

1) The landscape we see was never planet capable of developing intelligent life, it was settled from other planets.

2) The biosphere was richer but was gradually destroyed during the war or perhaps industrial revolution before the war. This likely doesn't qualify as post-apocalypse.

3) The biosphere was richer but was destroyed in single event, either natural catastrophe or "unnatural" catastrophe like large scale deployment of nuclear weapon. I would consider this the "post-apocalypse" option no matter if current warring factions are (or consider themselves to be) continuations of pre-apocalypse factions or new ones.

Did I missed something?

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3 hours ago, Don Edwards said:

4) Just how little of the planet was seen? There are places in Arizona where there doesn't appear to be a very rich or diverse biosphere.

... ok, point. While the long sci-fi tradition mandates that most planets must be single-biome, it is quite a stupid trope. It is entirely possible that warring factions agreed on having gigantic natural parks off-limits to any war machines and carefully protected.

... granted, it doesn't exactly match their attitude as shown in TMNT :)

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12 hours ago, hkmaly said:

While the long sci-fi tradition mandates that most planets must be single-biome, it is quite a stupid trope.

It most certainly is, but I'll give them a pass on iceball planets. I still doubt that there's really only one biome, but WE won't care about the differences.

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19 hours ago, hkmaly said:

Well ... permanent war or not, intelligent life can only develop on planet with richer biosphere. So the options are:

1) The landscape we see was never planet capable of developing intelligent life, it was settled from other planets.

2) The biosphere was richer but was gradually destroyed during the war or perhaps industrial revolution before the war. This likely doesn't qualify as post-apocalypse.

3) The biosphere was richer but was destroyed in single event, either natural catastrophe or "unnatural" catastrophe like large scale deployment of nuclear weapon. I would consider this the "post-apocalypse" option no matter if current warring factions are (or consider themselves to be) continuations of pre-apocalypse factions or new ones.

Did I missed something?

19 hours ago, Don Edwards said:

4) Just how little of the planet was seen? There are places in Arizona where there doesn't appear to be a very rich or diverse biosphere.

If we're still talking about TMNT, we actually see many planets  and planetoids in Dimension X. Some are barren (and may or may not have always been that way), some have clearly been devastated by war, some still have thriving civilizations on them, and a few are even lush and fairly untouched by civilization & war.

So I guess there are places within Dimension X that might count as post-apocalyptic, but you can't really say the entire dimension is post-apocalyptic.

15 hours ago, hkmaly said:

... ok, point. While the long sci-fi tradition mandates that most planets must be single-biome, it is quite a stupid trope. It is entirely possible that warring factions agreed on having gigantic natural parks off-limits to any war machines and carefully protected.

... granted, it doesn't exactly match their attitude as shown in TMNT :)

Actually, in TMNT Adventures, there were planets in Dimension X known as "Eden Worlds" which served as nature preserves. Of course the likes of Krang wouldn't respect such things, so I'm not sure how they survived; perhaps there were some defenses put in place by the mysterious "Elder Races" that created the Eden Worlds.

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3 hours ago, Don Edwards said:
16 hours ago, hkmaly said:

While the long sci-fi tradition mandates that most planets must be single-biome, it is quite a stupid trope.

It most certainly is, but I'll give them a pass on iceball planets. I still doubt that there's really only one biome, but WE won't care about the differences.

To be fair, MOST planets which are NOT inhabitable tend to be quite simple. Biome is defined as community of plants and animals, and if there are none on whole world, or if the world have just one biome because everywhere else it's completely uninhabitable ... those iceball planets would be one example: they likely don't have same climate everywhere, but if the most habitable part looks as Antarctic, then the rest is simply NOT inhabitable.

1 hour ago, ChronosCat said:
20 hours ago, Don Edwards said:

4) Just how little of the planet was seen? There are places in Arizona where there doesn't appear to be a very rich or diverse biosphere.

If we're still talking about TMNT, we actually see many planets  and planetoids in Dimension X. Some are barren (and may or may not have always been that way), some have clearly been devastated by war, some still have thriving civilizations on them, and a few are even lush and fairly untouched by civilization & war.

Did we? As I said, it was long ago when I actually saw TMNT, AND it's possible it wasn't whole series. Also, it was definitely the 1987 TV series. Looking at wiki, there were still multiple locations depicted, but I remember just one (or possibly more but all looking similar).

1 hour ago, ChronosCat said:

So I guess there are places within Dimension X that might count as post-apocalyptic, but you can't really say the entire dimension is post-apocalyptic.

Yes, I'm saying Dimension X just because I'm not sure what's the proper name of that specific planet. If it ever had any, because most likely it's the "Unnamed rocky Dimension X world" ...

1 hour ago, ChronosCat said:

Actually, in TMNT Adventures, there were planets in Dimension X known as "Eden Worlds" which served as nature preserves. Of course the likes of Krang wouldn't respect such things, so I'm not sure how they survived; perhaps there were some defenses put in place by the mysterious "Elder Races" that created the Eden Worlds.

It's easier to protect whole planets compared to just parts of them, if you have the technology. Also, maybe there are just more attractive targets around?

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23 minutes ago, hkmaly said:

Did we? As I said, it was long ago when I actually saw TMNT, AND it's possible it wasn't whole series. Also, it was definitely the 1987 TV series. Looking at wiki, there were still multiple locations depicted, but I remember just one (or possibly more but all looking similar).

Yes, I'm saying Dimension X just because I'm not sure what's the proper name of that specific planet. If it ever had any, because most likely it's the "Unnamed rocky Dimension X world"

Yeah, they didn't really show very much of Dimension X until season 4, so if you stopped watching before then* the only location you'd be familiar with would be the "Unnamed rocky Dimension X world', which does rather give the impression of an inhospitable post-apocalyptic place.

* It's entirely possible the station you were watching on didn't play the entire series. The first 3 seasons and parts of 4 and 7 were syndicated, but at least in the US the rest of the series was exclusive to CBS; and from what I've heard in many countries some parts of the series were never shown at all.

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2 hours ago, ChronosCat said:

* It's entirely possible the station you were watching on didn't play the entire series. The first 3 seasons and parts of 4 and 7 were syndicated, but at least in the US the rest of the series was exclusive to CBS; and from what I've heard in many countries some parts of the series were never shown at all.

Yeah, it's very likely. Our TV stations rarely need so good excuse for stopping to play something good. ... on second though, for stopping to play ANYTHING.

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