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Looks like it's not a 3rd thing, it's make a standard form wand so Elliot doesn't have to worry about height, which appears to be "quantum rocket science physics", which sounds hard.

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It also looks like Ellen is interested in trying out being petite and cute like Rhoda. That is a transformation that I would like to see at some point.

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1 hour ago, ijuin said:

It also looks like Ellen is interested in trying out being petite and cute like Rhoda. That is a transformation that I would like to see at some point.

Is she interested in her trying out being like Rhoda, or in having Elliot look like, or be as small as Rhoda?  Subtle difference there.  Well, not so subtle.

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Just now, ijuin said:

She said “we”, so it is likely that she includes herself.

Indeed. Though Dan on Discord said "Ellen wants to be smol with Diane's confidence." So this could be just Ellen's wish, but she'd probably also like to see Elliot that way whether Elliot wants to or not.

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27 minutes ago, Scotty said:

So this could be just Ellen's wish, but she'd probably also like to see Elliot that way whether Elliot wants to or not.

How tall is Mall Elliot aka Rose?  He changed to that height because Ashley asked for it, so he's not totally opposed to being short.

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Just  note from rereading today's comic.  Elliot looks like, in the last panel that she really likes the idea of a fixed form spell.

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48 minutes ago, mlooney said:

Just  note from rereading today's comic.  Elliot looks like, in the last panel that she really likes the idea of a fixed form spell.

It makes sense, but he had fixed forms initially. Can't he still use them?

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43 minutes ago, Darth Fluffy said:

It makes sense, but he had fixed forms initially. Can't he still use them?

Main problem with using them day to day is that they affect her mind.  We don't know what goth version does, as we haven't seen her for long periods of time like we have seen mild mannered and Heidi.

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2 hours ago, mlooney said:

How tall is Mall Elliot aka Rose?  He changed to that height because Ashley asked for it, so he's not totally opposed to being short.

Rose was....actually the commentary here says she was around 5'0 so same height as Rhoda then give or take a fraction of an inch. I'm not saying that Elliot wouldn't want to be that height, just probably not all the time, Ellen seems to want to be smaller more often.

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21 minutes ago, Scotty said:

Rose was....actually the commentary here says she was around 5'0 so same height as Rhoda then give or take a fraction of an inch.

I really should go through the "So a Date in the Mall" and later arcs and read the comments.

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16 hours ago, mlooney said:

Looks like it's not a 3rd thing, it's make a standard form wand so Elliot doesn't have to worry about height

Not only that, noone mentioned Ashley yet.

16 hours ago, mlooney said:

which appears to be "quantum rocket science physics", which sounds hard.

"Quantum rocket science physics" is probably FTL engine: either something capable of going faster than light in normal universe, which is not supposed to be possible at all but there may be cheat how to do it, OR some kind of wormhole generator.

Not simple stuff. Although maybe Uryuoms would disagree.

16 hours ago, ijuin said:

It also looks like Ellen is interested in trying out being petite and cute like Rhoda. That is a transformation that I would like to see at some point.

I'm not sure what's stopping her. Doesn't she have beam to do that?

... actually, maybe she already tried and now wants Elliot to try.

9 hours ago, mlooney said:
9 hours ago, Darth Fluffy said:

It makes sense, but he had fixed forms initially. Can't he still use them?

Main problem with using them day to day is that they affect her mind.  We don't know what goth version does, as we haven't seen her for long periods of time like we have seen mild mannered and Heidi.

If that is or isn't problem depends on situation :)

However, Elliot also can't switch to them without going through cheerleadra, AND may prefer to keep them secret for their original purpose of cheerleadra secret identities.

11 hours ago, mlooney said:

How tall is Mall Elliot aka Rose?  He changed to that height because Ashley asked for it, so he's not totally opposed to being short.

Well, it seems that for some reason he doesn't want to use THAT form as his consistent reusable form.

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18 hours ago, ijuin said:

It also looks like Ellen is interested in trying out being petite and cute like Rhoda.

 

1 hour ago, hkmaly said:

I'm not sure what's stopping her. Doesn't she have beam to do that?

Ellen does have the Copy beam
But she wouldn't necessarily want to simply copy Rhoda
Or at least not without her permission, and that would involve explanations....

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8 minutes ago, Pharaoh RutinTutin said:
2 hours ago, hkmaly said:

I'm not sure what's stopping her. Doesn't she have beam to do that?

Ellen does have the Copy beam
But she wouldn't necessarily want to simply copy Rhoda
Or at least not without her permission, and that would involve explanations....

I was speaking about beam making target smaller.

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Other than the copy beam, have we seen Ellen change anyone's height? Her original spell would just make an FV5 version of the target.

It looks to me like the Mall!Elliot form is pretty much the same height as Ashley, who was there and drawing his attention to her when he first shifted into it. Maybe what he needs is a reference. To get that he could play with forms until he gets one he likes, then take pictures of it and get life-size prints (a bit expensive) which he could hang on his wall. Limitation is that he'd only have the reference available when he's home. And if someone else visits him and notices the pictures, it might be fun watching him try to come up with a plausible explanation...

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As shown in the "Ellen Demo" strips, while Ellen has spells that can affect a target's height, she doesn't get the degree of freedom that Elliot gets, so she can't "select-a-size" for a transformation. Ellen's spells mostly yield a set height or a set ratio of the target's original height, though she can deliberately (and highly imprecisely) under-or-overclock the spell for weaker or stronger versions. Elliot, meanwhile, can assume pretty much any form that can be described as "human woman" within his existing upper and lower size limits, provided that he can visualize the desired form precisely enough.

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6 hours ago, ijuin said:

Elliot, meanwhile, can assume pretty much any form that can be described as "human woman" within his existing upper and lower size limits, provided that he can visualize the desired form precisely enough.

He, of course, has trouble with just changing size, which is why he wants the wand.

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1 hour ago, mlooney said:

He, of course, has trouble with just changing size, which is why he wants the wand.

I think the issue is Elliot's trying to fine tune an existing form, like when he wants to go default female, the spell wants to make him look like Ellen. If he wants to make that form different though, he's probably thinking "I wanna be that form, but taller" or "I wanna be that form but with smaller boobs"  and the problem is, he's not being as specific about "how tall" or "how small" as he should be so the results aren't always going to end up the way he likes. It's kinda like how someone saying "big boobs" when about to transform or any other stray thought affects how he thinks about the transformation.

Probably what Tedd might suggest Elliot do is to try not to think of the default at all, just think of what Elliot would look like as FV1 or something (I think FV1 doesn't affect height or figure much if any).

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21 hours ago, Don Edwards said:

And if someone else visits him and notices the pictures, it might be fun watching him try to come up with a plausible explanation...

He only needs the picture to look as movie poster or something. Most people would be willing to believe they don't know every actress.

Or, well, he can skip most of the hard work and just choose some existing actress. Or rather, to avoid looking as someone else, some actress from few decades back.  Additional bonus points if she's already dead and if people are intentionally cosplaying her and it might even be someone else than Marilyn Monroe but hey why not ...

... seriously Elliot would be ideal cosplayer.

(BTW, ideal actor to copy would be Elvis. But of course Elliot can only do girls.)

19 hours ago, ijuin said:

As shown in the "Ellen Demo" strips, while Ellen has spells that can affect a target's height, she doesn't get the degree of freedom that Elliot gets, so she can't "select-a-size" for a transformation. Ellen's spells mostly yield a set height or a set ratio of the target's original height, though she can deliberately (and highly imprecisely) under-or-overclock the spell for weaker or stronger versions.

Hmmm ... I've re-read the strips and I'm not sure. The "half-size" limit here could be just limit, it probably doesn't mean she always needs to go to limit. Of course, the shorter and taller joke wouldn't work as well if she had more freedom ...

21 hours ago, Don Edwards said:
12 hours ago, mlooney said:

He, of course, has trouble with just changing size, which is why he wants the wand.

I think the issue is Elliot's trying to fine tune an existing form, like when he wants to go default female, the spell wants to make him look like Ellen. If he wants to make that form different though, he's probably thinking "I wanna be that form, but taller" or "I wanna be that form but with smaller boobs"  and the problem is, he's not being as specific about "how tall" or "how small" as he should be so the results aren't always going to end up the way he likes. It's kinda like how someone saying "big boobs" when about to transform or any other stray thought affects how he thinks about the transformation.

Probably what Tedd might suggest Elliot do is to try not to think of the default at all, just think of what Elliot would look like as FV1 or something (I think FV1 doesn't affect height or figure much if any).

It might also be related to him not being good at imagining how he normally looks. But yes, the solution would be same: external reference. Imagine the result in absolute terms instead to relative to himself.

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3 minutes ago, hkmaly said:

But yes, the solution would be same: external reference. Imagine the result in absolute terms instead to relative to himself.

If he wanted to "hide" is external reference, he has a built in excuse.  He's a teenage male and the reference book is, well, his softcore porn stash.   

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1 minute ago, mlooney said:
7 minutes ago, hkmaly said:

But yes, the solution would be same: external reference. Imagine the result in absolute terms instead to relative to himself.

If he wanted to "hide" is external reference, he has a built in excuse.  He's a teenage male and the reference book is, well, his softcore porn stash.   

Also good point. Considering his usual breast size, even Elliot should be able to make that excuse.

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