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Just now, partner555 said:

http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=2274

Poor Tedd, now he really has to accept that Magic itself is against his dream, but still, why did the Emissary have to specify what Tedd's doing won't change how magic works?

Probably because Edward was so far managing to keep Tedd from going forward with his plans, while Pandora was the one actually doing the stuff that caused Magic to threaten a system change.

Of course Tedd would still feel like he could have caused a change even if Pandora hadn't created the clog and marked a bunch of people.

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And this is why MAGIC IS A BUTT-FACE!!

As much as Tedd wants to be the champion of (as of the moment) non-magic masses, he cannot control the due course of Magic whenever and wherever he goes. That does not mean he cannot be a catalyst, though.

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Five billion ways? Feh, I can narrow it down to sixteen (or twenty-three, better). :demonicduck:

Yet why is Tedd filled with dread?

On 11/11/2016 at 7:33 AM, Alwaysnewguy said:

Because he wants to make magic available for everyone, and if magic can (and will) change it's rules to prevent that, then he can never achieve it.

Called it. Poor Tedd.

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4 hours ago, partner555 said:

http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=2274

Poor Tedd, now he really has to accept that Magic itself is against his dream, but still, why did the Emissary have to specify what Tedd's doing won't change how magic works?

The Will of Magic may distinguish between Internal Magic (Awakening and Dreaming) versus External Magic which requires items (magical artifacts such as the Hammer statue and the Dewitchery Diamond, and spell catalysts such as wands or Tedd's gauntlet). Magic doesn't want masses of people getting their own spells, but may overlook people using items to invoke preset spells, just as it overlooked presumably thousands of women invoking the Hammer statue.

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Maybe they could go on a storyline or quest to the other side of the world, find Magic Itself and bind it in chains of will and nails of creation, and MAKE it the slave of Mankind now and forevermore. Becoming Lord Tedd actually sounds like an excellent idea right now. Maybe this is how it starts. The fever. The rage. The feeling of powerlessness that turns good men... cruel.

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3 hours ago, ijuin said:

The Will of Magic may distinguish between Internal Magic (Awakening and Dreaming) versus External Magic which requires items (magical artifacts such as the Hammer statue and the Dewitchery Diamond, and spell catalysts such as wands or Tedd's gauntlet). Magic doesn't want masses of people getting their own spells, but may overlook people using items to invoke preset spells, just as it overlooked presumably thousands of women invoking the Hammer statue.

As Edward pointed out, using items such as wands will help develop the user's own magic and cause them to awaken, so it currently can't distinguish between the two, one will affect the other.

As to the hammer statue, it's possible that it only got a lot of use early on, and just enough that it was taken to mainstream media and used a a running gag in cartoons, actual usage of it probably fizzled out after a while with only rare occurrences such as Susan.

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3 hours ago, Scotty said:

As Edward pointed out, using items such as wands will help develop the user's own magic and cause them to awaken, so it currently can't distinguish between the two, one will affect the other.

As to the hammer statue, it's possible that it only got a lot of use early on, and just enough that it was taken to mainstream media and used a a running gag in cartoons, actual usage of it probably fizzled out after a while with only rare occurrences such as Susan.

"Early on" for the hammer statue would be about 125 years ago. (Jerry's statement about the statue suggested he created it when he was a "rambunctious seventy-five year old".) So it seems like there must have been very limited use of the hammers for quite a while if so few people know about magic now.

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10 hours ago, Scotty said:
11 hours ago, partner555 said:

http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=2274

Poor Tedd, now he really has to accept that Magic itself is against his dream, but still, why did the Emissary have to specify what Tedd's doing won't change how magic works?

Probably because Edward was so far managing to keep Tedd from going forward with his plans, while Pandora was the one actually doing the stuff that caused Magic to threaten a system change.

Of course Tedd would still feel like he could have caused a change even if Pandora hadn't created the clog and marked a bunch of people.

He might, but it would definitely take him longer. Nothing he was doing so far was dangerous.

7 hours ago, ijuin said:

The Will of Magic may distinguish between Internal Magic (Awakening and Dreaming) versus External Magic which requires items (magical artifacts such as the Hammer statue and the Dewitchery Diamond, and spell catalysts such as wands or Tedd's gauntlet). Magic doesn't want masses of people getting their own spells, but may overlook people using items to invoke preset spells, just as it overlooked presumably thousands of women invoking the Hammer statue.

Might not be thousands of women ... and Edward directly said that using spell catalysts will help you develop own magic. Also, important part of Tedd's plan was raise everyone's magic defenses.

4 hours ago, wanderingmagus said:

Maybe they could go on a storyline or quest to the other side of the world, find Magic Itself and bind it in chains of will and nails of creation, and MAKE it the slave of Mankind now and forevermore. Becoming Lord Tedd actually sounds like an excellent idea right now. Maybe this is how it starts. The fever. The rage. The feeling of powerlessness that turns good men... cruel.

Totally approving that plan.

Although, regarding Lord Tedd ... another possibility is that Lord Tedd CAUSED the magic reset of his world, because without Grace noone stopped him.

17 minutes ago, A.E. Pessimal said:

"Early on" for the hammer statue would be about 125 years ago. (Jerry's statement about the statue suggested he created it when he was a "rambunctious seventy-five year old".) So it seems like there must have been very limited use of the hammers for quite a while if so few people know about magic now.

The hammers are limited enough people might not realize it's magic.

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4 minutes ago, A.E. Pessimal said:

"Early on" for the hammer statue would be about 125 years ago. (Jerry's statement about the statue suggested he created it when he was a "rambunctious seventy-five year old".) So it seems like there must have been very limited use of the hammers for quite a while if so few people know about magic now.

Yeah, so for the first 20 years or so, it probably got a fair amount of use, then the novelty either wore off or those that were using it realized that it wasn't doing much good, still like I said, there was enough that someone remembered it happening and used the concept in cartoons, which no one would guess that it was magic that way.

The other possibility is Jerry never advertised the hammer ability, so it was likely that use was purely accidental and rarely did anyone use it multiple times so the ability itself never became commonplace though the pop culture effect still happened.

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49 minutes ago, Scotty said:

The other possibility is Jerry never advertised the hammer ability, so it was likely that use was purely accidental and rarely did anyone use it multiple times so the ability itself never became commonplace though the pop culture effect still happened.

He might mentioned it to few girls, but not thousands. And Susan did implied that to summon hammers repeatedly you need to be taught it.

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12 minutes ago, hkmaly said:

He might mentioned it to few girls, but not thousands. And Susan did implied that to summon hammers repeatedly you need to be taught it.

Considering Elliot was able to use them when spending the day at school as "Ellen", I wouldn't call it teaching, more like "Hey, if you ever find yourself being offended by a male, just think 'It's Hammer Time'. "  ;)

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39 minutes ago, hkmaly said:

He might mentioned it to few girls, but not thousands. And Susan did implied that to summon hammers repeatedly you need to be taught it.

Gill got a hammer within moments of getting her human form (and Will providing the provocation).  One can only assume that the hammers did sometimes show up for people who hadn't been taught how to summon them.

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59 minutes ago, Scotty said:

Considering Elliot was able to use them when spending the day at school as "Ellen", I wouldn't call it teaching, more like "Hey, if you ever find yourself being offended by a male, just think 'It's Hammer Time'. "  ;)

27 minutes ago, Vorlonagent said:

Gill got a hammer within moments of getting her human form (and Will providing the provocation).  One can only assume that the hammers did sometimes show up for people who hadn't been taught how to summon them.

Elliot at least knew ABOUT the hammers and was really offended. Gill didn't knew about them, wasn't offended and actually wasn't sure why the hammer appeared, and on top of that she's Uryuom and shouldn't be able to use earth magic. Conclusion: this is about magic's flair for drama and not according to rules. And, presumably, non-reproducible one-time effect. The teaching is probably to be able to summon hammers reliably.

(Actually, wasn't this addressed in some Q&A? Probably by "as to answer this .... look, devil duck!")

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14 hours ago, partner555 said:

Poor Tedd, now he really has to accept that Magic itself is against his dream, but still, why did the Emissary have to specify what Tedd's doing won't change how magic works?

It's possible that "magic" doesn't know why Tedd is making magic tech devices, just that he is.  And as such doesn't care.

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Whether or not a woman needs to "know" about the hammers, or know of a specific means to summon the hammers, probably wasn't as important as believing that it was possible to summon hammers.  Because the overall belief in magic has been on the decline for centuries, only those women aware of things DGB would suppress in recent years would be able to summon them.

Susan met immortals.  Elliot and Sarah hung out with Tedd.  Gillian was Uryuom.  Amanda could not avoid the weirdness of Germahn Labs.

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This? This is nothing. You should check out the xkcd.com forum, where a discussion about the Third Reich can devolve into an argument over computer operating system versions. :D

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3 hours ago, ijuin said:

This? This is nothing. You should check out the xkcd.com forum, where a discussion about the Third Reich can devolve into an argument over computer operating system versions. :D

Would that be the inverse of Godwin's law?

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