Extra Omnes

[Pharaoh RutinTutin 1,637]

 

"Extra Omnes" is not a pizza topping. 

Before this command starts the Conclave, are there any predictions?  

Under 70 

European or European ancestry 

 

[mlooney 3,707]

I'm willing to risk half a cookie on being Filipino.  Hits the “Asian” button, and the Philippines has the 3rd largest number of Catholics in the world, after Brazil and Mexico.  A Mexican or Brazilian pope would be cool as well, but less likely.

[Darth Fluffy 360]

I've heard that India has a lot of Roman Catholics. Whenever they have anything, they have a lot of it. They have a significant Christian segment of their population. The RCs are the most abundant Christians. Heard this bunch of stuff from a Pakistani woman who keeps abreast of these things.

I've also heard (elsewhere) that there are more Anglicans in India than in Great Britain (going back to, 'whenever they have anything, they have a lot of it).

They also have an indigenous Indian church credited to the Apostle Thomas, AKA 'doubting Thomas'. When the British invaded India, they were surprised to find there were already Christians there.

They are also the main remaining location of Zoroastrianism; the proponents fled from Persia to India centuries ago.

Of course, all dwarfed by the Hindu segment of their society.

[mlooney 3,707]

1 hour ago, Darth Fluffy said:

I've also heard (elsewhere) that there are more Anglicans in India than in Great Britain (going back to, 'whenever they have anything, they have a lot of it).

According to this, India is not even in the top 10.  Nigeria leads the world, followed by the UK.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-largest-anglican-populations.html

The “Anglican Church of India” isn't really Anglican, not being part of the larger Anglican Communion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_Church_of_India

[Darth Fluffy 360]

4 hours ago, mlooney said:

According to this, India is not even in the top 10.  Nigeria leads the world, followed by the UK.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-largest-anglican-populations.html

The “Anglican Church of India” isn't really Anglican, not being part of the larger Anglican Communion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_Church_of_India

I suspect the first statement is very dependent on the second; I heard it years ago, the source may have been before the split. But yeah, if they are no longer counted as 'Anglican', I doubt they would be 'most numerous'.

I learned something similar about Episcopalians. I attended a funeral, I believe last year, at an Episcopal church, and then returned for a visit. One of the people I talked to gave me a thumb nail history. The Episcopalian Church exists because during the American Revolution, any ties to England were seen in a negative light. So they broke away. Wiki on the subject.

Churches in India established by Thomas. This is weirder than you might think. So is Thomas. He is known mostly for two events in the Gospels, both of which involve doubting; "I'll believe when I see proof." There is a whiff of negativity associated with him due to this within the Christian religious community. But the quote ascribed to Jesus about Thomas is, "Behold, an Israelite indeed in whom there is no guile." In other words, he apparently saw Thomas as an honest man (and incidentally, per the narrative, was willing to provide the needed evidence).

I take this to be a broad approval of anyone with a skeptical, yet honest approach (as opposed to the mountains of religious bullshit that is often spread around.) Job also talks about this at length; it is the central theme in his struggle with his three 'friends'.

[mlooney 3,707]

11 hours ago, Darth Fluffy said:

So they broke away. Wiki on the subject.

While the PECUSA broke away from the CoE,  it's stayed part of the Anglican Communion.

[Darth Fluffy 360]

2 hours ago, mlooney said:

While the PECUSA broke away from the CoE,  it's stayed part of the Anglican Communion.

The point of the severance was to not be under the leadership of the crown. This implies that either they more rejoined than stayed, or that the Anglican Communion has it's own distance from the Anglican Church.

However, religion of any stripe is full of anomalies and contradictions, so it really should not be surprising.

[mlooney 3,707]

The Anglican Communion is led by the Archbishop of Canterbury.  The position of the crown in the communion is a bit weird.  They are the titular leader of the Church of England, but none of the other churches in the Anglican Communion, as I understand it.  It's been many years since confirmation classes.

[The Old Hack 2,503]

I don't understand why we need extra omnes. We're in the middle of a global financial crisis, for cripes' sake. Regular omnes ought to do the job just fine.

[mlooney 3,707]

7 minutes ago, The Old Hack said:

I don't understand why we need extra omnes.

A meditating pope might not be a bad thing.

[Pharaoh RutinTutin 1,637]

 

May 7 

The Cardinals set the start date for the Conclave. 

So if there are any strong opinions about who should or should not be the next Pontifex Maximus, let them know now. 

Forums for sci-fi comics are where most 50 - 80 year old church administrators form their opinions. 

 

[Darth Fluffy 360]

10 minutes ago, Pharaoh RutinTutin said:

The Cardinals set the start date for the Conclave.

They want to finish before the season starts.

[mlooney 3,707]

1 hour ago, Pharaoh RutinTutin said:

So if there are any strong opinions about who should or should not be the next Pontifex Maximus, let them know now. 

I'm leaning towards a Ukrainian or English option.

[The Old Hack 2,503]

23 hours ago, Pharaoh RutinTutin said:

So if there are any strong opinions about who should or should not be the next Pontifex Maximus, let them know now. 

I not only think we should just settle for regular Omnes, I also think we could obtain further savings from picking a Pontifex Minimus instead.

Maybe Jiminy Cricket. He has experience working as a conscience. There ought to be some kind of overlap there, possibly even a considerable one.

[mlooney 3,707]

So you are saying you want the new pope to have a mini-me?

[Darth Fluffy 360]

18 minutes ago, The Old Hack said:

I not only think we should just settle for regular Omnes, I also think we could obtain further savings from picking a Pontifex Minimus instead.

Maybe Jiminy Cricket. He has experience working as a conscience. There ought to be some kind of overlap there, possibly even a considerable one.

Maybe not. Religion seems to have little to do with dispensing actual right and wrong. Jiminy Cricket is likely overqualified.

[mlooney 3,707]

1 hour ago, Darth Fluffy said:

Religion seems to have little to do with dispensing actual right and wrong.

As a point in his favor, Francis seemed to be better about that than many popes were.

[The Old Hack 2,503]

1 hour ago, mlooney said:

As a point in his favor, Francis seemed to be better about that than many popes were.

Yeah. I suspect many Cardinals are pining for the good old days when the di Medicis controlled the Papacy.

[Pharaoh RutinTutin 1,637]

 

We don't need full de' Medici.  

Borgia will be sufficient. 

 

[mlooney 3,707]

24 minutes ago, The Old Hack said:

Yeah. I suspect many Cardinals are pining for the good old days when the di Medicis controlled the Papacy.

Bring back anti-popes.  Other than the nut jobs in Spain of course.

[The Old Hack 2,503]

Scientific question. If you bring a Pope into contact with an anti-Pope, do you then get a massive explosion?

[ijuin 601]

Yes. Contact between Popes and Anti-Popes has triggered several wars over the centuries. 

[Darth Fluffy 360]

<Pulls out his Vatican cigarettes>    Holy Smokes!

[ProfessorTomoe 1,351]

16 hours ago, Darth Fluffy said:

Vatican cigarettes

Those are for sinners.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvZJp1ddYXM

[Darth Fluffy 360]

14 minutes ago, ProfessorTomoe said:

Those are for sinners.

But the Pope on a Rope Soap will get you truly clean!