Political Discussion Thread (READ FIRST POST)

[Darth Fluffy 378]

Participated in No Kings rally (2nd one). Was less enthusiastic this time; it seemed futile and unrealistic. I agree with what was said, but Trump is a scoundrel, doesn't give a shit (well, technically, he does; that's about all he gives, loads of horse shit), and his incompetent sycophant cronies don't care, they spin it as their fantasy Antifa; as if they are the loyal Americans. 

My dad was Antifa, as were most of his generation. They wore olive drab uniforms, landed in Europe on D Day, and fought their way to Berlin. 

MAGA is what you get when you get a mediocre education. It didn't work then, it's not working now, and it's not going to work. 

Trump is training them. He has Mike Johnson projecting like he does. "The opposition is disloyal!" No, bone head, you are disloyal; you serve a felon, not the Constitution. And you are becoming like him more and more. 

It is going to get worse. 

[Darth Fluffy 378]

News flash: Donald Trump may still be dumb as rocks. The rocks have not responded, but it is rumored they are unhappy with this comparison. 

[The Old Hack 2,514]

I am extremely amused by the Lincoln Project skewering Trump again. They are referring to the grotesque ballroom concept of Trump's as the Jeffrey Epstein Memorial Ballroom. Rumour has it that Trump is not best pleased by this jab.

[Darth Fluffy 378]

17 hours ago, The Old Hack said:

I am extremely amused by the Lincoln Project skewering Trump again. They are referring to the grotesque ballroom concept of Trump's as the Jeffrey Epstein Memorial Ballroom. Rumour has it that Trump is not best pleased by this jab.

It is truly surreal living in America in 2025. Trump is dumb beyond belief; he does not get what a lout he is. He seems to genuinely think that in some sense he is 'better', when in truth he is not even adequate. His cronies are each in their own way as bad as he is. I have some hope in that he seems to be loosing ground recently; the recent elections were not in his favor.

[Don Edwards 581]

The sad thing is, while I agree with everything you said about Trump, I still think he's better than the alternative we were offered.

Or, at least, he was better. Up until 2021 or so. Not so sure about now, and it isn't because of improvements on the other side; if anything, they got worse, and he may be just as bad as they are now.

[mlooney 3,826]

Trump has tried to run the country the way he ran his business.  The problem with that is that he ran them badly. Plus, the whole view of the world as a zero sum game mindset doesn't help.

[Darth Fluffy 378]

7 hours ago, Don Edwards said:

The sad thing is, while I agree with everything you said about Trump, I still think he's better than the alternative we were offered.

Or, at least, he was better. Up until 2021 or so. Not so sure about now, and it isn't because of improvements on the other side; if anything, they got worse, and he may be just as bad as they are now.

Do you mean Kamala? I am curious what you see wrong with her. She's a successful prosecutor, has a track record in the legislature, and was a decent VP. Vs DT, she knows the law and has respect for it. I'm not seeing how she's an inferior choice.

[Darth Fluffy 378]

OMG, how does he manage to keep digging deeper?

So, the US DoD is 'purging inclusion initiative information', per Presidunce Bonespurs's directions to his DoD minion Pete Hogshit. They've deleted WW II Native code talkers, Tuskeegee Airmen, Medal of Honor recipients of color, and other similar information. Many of these have been reversed when people protested, but there is no systematic tracking, and much information will ultimately be lost. He's dumbing down the infosphere to his level.

[Don Edwards 581]

On 11/14/2025 at 10:16 PM, Darth Fluffy said:

Do you mean Kamala? I am curious what you see wrong with her.

Fundamentally, she was appointed to be their nominee for President by the party leadership that (IMHO) has been doing since at least the 1970s pretty much every totalitarian or corrupt thing they're accusing Trump of. (Without regard to whether their accusations are true. Some of them definitely are. For example, two of Trump's White House advisors went to prison for ignoring Congressional subpoenas. The puzzle there is why two Democrat Attorneys General also ignored Congressional subpoenas, and didn't even get their hands slapped.)

3 hours ago, Darth Fluffy said:

So, the US DoD is 'purging inclusion initiative information'

In principle, I like this idea. It SHOULDN'T matter what race etc. someone is, at least not to the point of creating selective lists and having masses of people care about those lists.

However...

.... it's too soon.

Race etc. STILL DOES matter. And just making those selective lists go away, won't speed the day when nobody cares.

 

[Darth Fluffy 378]

10 hours ago, Don Edwards said:

Fundamentally, she was appointed to be their nominee for President by the party leadership that (IMHO) has been doing since at least the 1970s pretty much every totalitarian or corrupt thing they're accusing Trump of. (Without regard to whether their accusations are true. Some of them definitely are. For example, two of Trump's White House advisors went to prison for ignoring Congressional subpoenas. The puzzle there is why two Democrat Attorneys General also ignored Congressional subpoenas, and didn't even get their hands slapped.)

If Biden was going to bail, he needed to do it sooner. Presumably, he wasn't but then changed his mind after the debate. She was impressive; bear in mind, she had broad G.O.P. support; not the MAGA folks, but the old school Republicans.

(FWIW, I am convinced Kamala actually won the 2024 election, just like Trump claims he won in 2020. There was no evidence of tampering in 2020; there's quite a bit in 2024, and Trump 'won' those states, like he 'wins' at golf.)

 

10 hours ago, Don Edwards said:

<Inclusion information>

In principle, I like this idea. It SHOULDN'T matter what race etc. someone is, at least not to the point of creating selective lists and having masses of people care about those lists.

However...

.... it's too soon.

Race etc. STILL DOES matter. And just making those selective lists go away, won't speed the day when nobody cares.

I suppose it shouldn't matter. But, as you say, it still does. Trump is attempting to cover up US history, to erase the record of what happened, to spin a new falsified record. Consider: The role of the Navajo code talkers is uniquely successful in history, it is historically significant and the men that participated performed an outstanding service for a country that marginalized their people. The Tuskeegee Airmen, formed against considerable political resistance because 'blacks cannot fly airplanes' excelled to such a degree (because they had to; they had to prove they were an asset to the war effort) that the initial nay sayers in the bomber crews switched to requesting their escort. That they were African and routinely beating Luftwaffe interdiction was a slap in the face of Nazi ideology. The Medal of Honor was an earned medal during WW II and is currently; it is often earned posthumously. (There have been periods in it's history where it was given out too freely; many of those have been reversed. This was cleaned up before WW II.) Jackie Robinson's page, WW II vet and baseball great was also eliminated.

IF this effort had any validity, and I'm not saying it does, funding a human crew to assess each page would be the appropriate approach, not a wholesale automated hack job to eliminate any reference to colored service. 

As a young white guy graduating from high school, Affirmative Action seemed unfair. Why should my competition for college admission have a leg up just because their skin is different? As an older adult, I get it. I had a good education in decent, well funded schools. I've seen black high schools, how they are falling apart because the basic allocations are not fair. The playing field is not level; adjusting the leveling is reasonable.

I hope a day comes where race does not matter, but as you say, this is not that day.

[ijuin 611]

7 hours ago, Darth Fluffy said:

(FWIW, I am convinced Kamala actually won the 2024 election, just like Trump claims he won in 2020. There was no evidence of tampering in 2020; there's quite a bit in 2024, and Trump 'won' those states, like he 'wins' at golf.)

It does not help his case that Trump was essentially bragging about how Musk and others were going to deliver the election to him.

[Darth Fluffy 378]

The turd in charge is circling the drain. (Apologies to actual feces, which can be composted into fertilizer. While this might be possible with the Totus, I would not want the result in my garden.)

[The Old Hack 2,514]

On 11/15/2025 at 6:16 AM, Darth Fluffy said:

Do you mean Kamala? I am curious what you see wrong with her. She's a successful prosecutor, has a track record in the legislature, and was a decent VP. Vs DT, she knows the law and has respect for it. I'm not seeing how she's an inferior choice.

Too much melanin and estrogen. These are disqualifying. Also she actually respects the rule of law and has never attempted to interfere with the peaceful transition of power. And by now she has gotten even worse [citation needed.]

[Darth Fluffy 378]

2 hours ago, The Old Hack said:

Too much melanin and estrogen. These are disqualifying. Also she actually respects the rule of law and has never attempted to interfere with the peaceful transition of power. And by now she has gotten even worse [citation needed.]

Sadly true.

[The Old Hack 2,514]

You have to admit it. When it comes to diplomacy and international relations, Trump's abject incompetence and utter lack of comprehension is in a category of its own. He is currently doing all he can to worsen diplomatic relations with Denmark and the rest of NATO, citing the need for US access to Greenland, its strategic position and its rare earth elements. This notwithstanding the fact that he could have had all he wanted just by asking nicely back when NATO was still an ongoing concern and the US the most respected nation in the world. Denmark would happily have let the US have all the bases it wanted as well as access to developing facilities for the extraction of REEs.

The only national leader I can think of that was even nearly as bad in history was Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany, whose efforts helped work European relations into such a tangle that when WW1 was set off it spread like wildfire and ultimately ended three empires. In theory King Christian VII of Denmark was worse given that he was literally and medically retarded, but since his diplomatic efforts consisted solely of tamely signing whatever document was put in front of him, in practice he was only as bad as whichever political faction had access to the throne at the time.

[Pharaoh RutinTutin 1,668]

 

Trump wants a place in History. 

Unfortunately, he is not the first President to serve non-consecutive terms.  And he missed his chance to have the shortest presidency back in 2017.  

What are some good records to which he may aspire to secure his place in trivia games and top ten lists? 

 

[Darth Fluffy 378]

Trump has his place in history. It is not a good one.

[The Old Hack 2,514]

2 hours ago, Pharaoh RutinTutin said:

What are some good records to which he may aspire to secure his place in trivia games and top ten lists? 

Supposedly he is going to stop breathing eventually. As far as I am concerned, once that happens it will be the best thing he has ever done.

[Darth Fluffy 378]

On 12/23/2025 at 3:05 PM, The Old Hack said:

Supposedly he is going to stop breathing eventually. As far as I am concerned, once that happens it will be the best thing he has ever done.

There's a song in on of the 'A Christmas Carol's that talks about Scrooge dropping dead; "It's the nicest thing anyone's ever done for me."

Frankly, I will find it difficult to take FIFA seriously in the future, now that they've planted their lips on his posterior.

[Pharaoh RutinTutin 1,668]

 

As unbelievable as it may seem, FIFA has serious problems that predate DJT's political career. 

They can only make things worse for each other. 

[Darth Fluffy 378]

22 hours ago, Pharaoh RutinTutin said:

 

As unbelievable as it may seem, FIFA has serious problems that predate DJT's political career. 

They can only make things worse for each other. 

Apparently  they also have money to burn. The trophy and medal did not look cheap, if they were indeed gold. (Saw on a Kimmel segment.)

[mlooney 3,826]

1 hour ago, Darth Fluffy said:

Apparently  they also have money to burn. The trophy and medal did not look cheap, if they were indeed gold. (Saw on a Kimmel segment.)

Considering they are the ruling body for the most popular sport in the world, yes, they have money to burn.

[Darth Fluffy 378]

19 hours ago, mlooney said:

Considering they are the ruling body for the most popular sport in the world, yes, they have money to burn.

There are better ways to do so.

[Pharaoh RutinTutin 1,668]

 

20 hours ago, mlooney said:

  , , , they have money to burn.

 

2 hours ago, Darth Fluffy said:

There are better ways to do so.

Do we really want to argue about how the filthy rich frivolously spend their money?  

 

[Don Edwards 581]

2 hours ago, Darth Fluffy said:

There are better ways to do so.

They could give it to me...