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[CD Rudd]

I'll be away, but I hope you all continue to enjoy the comic while I'm gone

[Enhas]

It's horrible how little Chris thought of Bay to 'arrange' her to get pregnant.  And why would Bay even think of continuing to work there after being violated in that way, unless she is a complete idiot?

Sorry, but the last few comics have set me in almost a permanent stun.  Poor Bay, but especially poor Honey if she doesn't know and found everything out.

[Trip]

It's horrible how little Chris thought of Bay to 'arrange' her to get pregnant.  And why would Bay even think of continuing to work there after being violated in that way, unless she is a complete idiot?

Because they had the power to turn her back into Brad?

[Enhas]

Given how the series started, I don't think they ever had any intent of changing her back (or couldn't).  And I don't think Bay would just stand aside and do nothing even if it was offered.

I'm probably just reading into things that aren't there, but I really hope that everything here isn't what it seems.

[ZeldaQueen]

Well it's unclear right now exactly how much Bay knows of the incident or what conclusions she reached. Right now, she seems to be blaming Robin for everything. It's possible that she thought that Robin heard that the producers needed Bay's daughter from the future, bought a Time Machine on her own, and hatched the plan independently to surprise them and get in their good books.

Given that the producers almost certainly wouldn't want to die, they most likely wouldn't have bothered to correct Bay if that was indeed her assumption.

[Trip]

Wow, Bay must think that giving birth is a walk in the park...

[Enhas]

Okay, some things do not add up here.

Assuming Chris is enough of a scumbag to arrange for Bay to be date-raped (which is what it sure looks like), then how would he know that Bay *would* get pregnant for sure?  And why did Doug say that 'it might actually work'?

Even if everything turns out to be some elaborate trick, the fact still remains that Bay thinks up to now that she was violated and impregnated when drunk (and probably blames Robyn for most of it happening).

Also, poor Brady.

[Dragon Writer]

we don't really know how long she stayed there, afterwards - but with a newfound daughter, she might not have had much choice, anyhow.

juddging from what i saw, i think she mostly feels Robin was a willing pawn that works with them every step of the way.

[ZeldaQueen]

Hmm, something doesn't seem to add up here. In this comic, which seemed to have been when Honey was yanked back in time, she was college aged. In this one, Honey looks younger (and is wearing different clothes and using the more childish "Mommy").

So it looks like this isn't so clear-cut. This would imply that she was taken twice from the future (as a child and as a college student). It is possible that the child (Brady) is from one future and the older one (Honey) is from an alternate future, but if that were the case though, then there would be three Honeys (the child, the older one, and the baby that Bay is pregnant with). So what happens to one of them?

Presumably Chris was enough of a scumbag to do all of that. I guess Doug saying "it might actually work" referred to just that - Bay got pregnant, the time machine worked, and it looked like they were going to get Honey. And while there were a lot of things that could have gone wrong, I think the very fact that they decided to go along with the plan at all would suggest that they wouldn't care about things like that (alternatively, since Bay had worked there for long enough, they might have heard her discussing with Robin when her Time Of The Month was and planned it. Still slim chance, but better than a wild guess).

Given that it was implied that Bay had trouble supporting herself and Honey, I think Dragon Writer is right. Bay was forced to keep working there to care for her daughter.

[Trip]

So it looks like this isn't so clear-cut. This would imply that she was taken twice from the future (as a child and as a college student). It is possible that the child (Brady) is from one future and the older one (Honey) is from an alternate future, but if that were the case though, then there would be three Honeys (the child, the older one, and the baby that Bay is pregnant with). So what happens to one of them?

I'm hoping that Chris does not try to sell one of them on eBay to pay for the whole venture.

[Enhas]

Bay's pregnancy would be paradoxed out of existence by Brady's close contact (read the comic before this one, that wouldn't just be mentioned for no reason).  That's assuming that she even was pregnant though (and not just secretly being given something to make her sick), but why would Chris say "she got pregnant" if she wasn't?

If Bay was never pregnant though, Brady (possibly Honey also) could cease to exist if she ever found out before Brady is born, since she assumes that they're the product of that night.  It's pretty cruel, but if so then it was quite the elaborate plan by Chris and (since it worked) means that Bay *will* have Brady some day (and eventually lose her, but she'd know that it was going to happen *and* an older Brady and Honey would still be there).

Something tells me they shifted all the blame to Robyn for everything, and the fact that she fled only makes her look guilty.

[ZeldaQueen]

I'm hoping that Chris does not try to sell one of them on eBay to pay for the whole venture.

I wouldn't put it past them, but I doubt Bay would ever let that happen (even if she didn't really know Honey at the time, I doubt she'd let them do that to any of her future daughters).

Enhas is right though, the paradox mentioned should mean that Brady's presence should make the unborn Honey go out of existence (in order for Brady to exist at all, Bay must have been pregnant). Actually, I don't think Bay ever actually said she went through childbirth. In the one comic, she says "I even had sex and was pregnant in this body", but never actually said she had a baby in it.

So it looks like the studio brought back the older Honey after Brady was sent to live in Buffalo. Either the producers decided they needed an older actress or they went to get a second Honey with the first unavailable and accidentally got an older one. Hmm...

And I really do feel sorry for Bay and Honey (both of them).

[Dragon Writer]

i'm sorry that they went through it, but less sorry that it's actually happened - there lives would have been radically different if they;d had NORMAL ones, but that doesn't mean they really would have been any happier. they wouldn't know each other, like this - i sort of doubt Honey would want to give that up, and if you phrased it that way to Bay, she probably wouldn't either.

[Enhas]

Okay, I see Chris's plan as either one of two things:

a- Make sure Bay gets pregnant and kidnap her daughter from the future.

b- Take a gamble by the use of lies and trickery to start a time loop, and kidnap Bay's daughter from the future.

The first one has definite problems, the whole issue of date-rape aside.  How would Chris know that she'd actually get pregnant *and* that it'd be a girl?  The bar was probably his only shot at this plan, and the odds were easily against him.

The second one is even more complicated and with even worse odds.  It'd involve tricking Bay into thinking she was pregnant (got drunk at the bar and doesn't remember the rest of the night), and giving her something (drugs?) weeks later to make her sick.  Then one of two things could happen:

1 - Chris uses the time-portal and it doesn't work.  He doesn't mention anything to Bay, stops giving her the drugs and starts to work on another 'plan'.

2 - Chris uses the time-portal and it *does* work.  He then tells Bay that she was pregnant, but not anymore because of the 'paradox'.  He has to say this to make sure her daughter will eventually be born, and not change Bay back, starting a time loop (meaning in the future, Bay will get pregnant but will not know it's the same child until she is born).  He also shifts all the blame onto Robyn, since she's gone and can't defend herself.

Also, I'm wondering if Doug was also there in disguise too.  That blond guy sort of looks like it could be him (with a wig), and the book seems similar to the one he's reading (the one about the time machine).  Given his attitude later on, it's doubtful that he actually did anything with Bay if it *was* him there.

[ZeldaQueen]

The only problem with them tricking Bay into thinking she was pregnant, was how would they then get Honey from the future. Where they were in time, Bay had no children and wasn't pregnant with any. The only way they could steal her daughter in the future was if they ensured that she had a daughter at some point. In other words, Honey couldn't exist until Bay gets pregnant first.

Also, the way Chris talks when he says "she's been throwing up since she got pregnant", he doesn't say it like its a euphemism or makes any reference to it being a trick.

[Enhas]

It's probably not a trick at all, but I'm just theorizing in case it turns out to be.  I've been horribly wrong about stuff before that turned out to be painfully obvious (thinking the Auction Guy could be Robyn).

They wouldn't have had to ensure anything, since it was a big gamble with a simple premise:  What if Bay doesn't go 'back' and eventually has a child in the future?

The bar (and later sickness) plots were to trick Bay, which would then go away (by paradox explanation) once the daughter was brought back.  Chris figured she'd figure out she was pregnant sooner, but it doesn't really matter.  Since the machine did work, Bay will eventually have a child, but would figure that she was already pregnant with Brady before so there's no danger of Brady or Honey vanishing from existence.  She *can't* know the truth until Brady is eventually born (to her surprise, she'd figure it'd be another child), and once she was a certain age Brady would be pulled back in time and start / end the loop.

Then again, something like that is what I'm hoping for because I really can't stand the date-rape storyline at all.  I won't stop reading the comic or anything, but I'm just saying.  I wonder what Robyn's reaction would be if she found all this out when Bay eventually accuses her?

[ZeldaQueen]

Well to be fair, it wasn't that strange of a guess that Robyn and the Auction Guy were the same people (the looked alike and the producers seemed to have no qualms abouting turning a guy into a girl, so why would they care if they suddenly needed a girl to be a guy?)

Ah, I get what you're saying now. That could very well be true, I just usually "start" time paradoxes at a different place (a "chicken and the egg" type of thing)...erm I also try not to think about those types of things too hard or I get really mixed up. ^^; So I juse hope we find out what happened really soon.

[Enhas]

Nice to see Honey again.  I could never understand why Honey is always so hung up about her looks, she has no problems there and really takes after her mother.

Juice!

Honey's run-ins with David are probably going to parallel Bay and the Auction Guy, in that she won't show any interest at first but then fall pretty hard, or the other way around (it'd be funny to see David head over heels for Honey).

[Trip]

Seems Honey picked the wrong place to study today.

[Enhas]

I really like Honey's look in panel three.

Yep, definitely going to be a parallel of her mother's own crush / romance.  Honey is doomed.