More Speculation.

[chridd 31]

A possibility that I've thought of: So there are villains in the spirit plane (Voltaire and Sirleck), which would make it hard for the main characters to defeat them; and Magus's revival involves (indirectly) the Dewitching Diamond, though it involves it enough to get Abraham involved... so what if, when Magus returns to the physical plane, he gains the ability to switch between planes at will, and a duplicate Magus is created stuck on the spirit plane who can pull others into the spirit plane?

[Scotty 1,061]

29 minutes ago, chridd said:

A possibility that I've thought of: So there are villains in the spirit plane (Voltaire and Sirleck), which would make it hard for the main characters to defeat them; and Magus's revival involves (indirectly) the Dewitching Diamond, though it involves it enough to get Abraham involved... so what if, when Magus returns to the physical plane, he gains the ability to switch between planes at will, and a duplicate Magus is created stuck on the spirit plane who can pull others into the spirit plane?

The way most people think Magus' "revival" would work, is Ellen's beam would push Magus into Elliot's body, Magus would then take control of Elliot long enough to be able to touch the diamond and the result would create another duplicate of Elliot with Magus in full control. That wouldn't allow for 2 Maguses (Magusi?) with one still trapped in the spirit plane, and Magus has described himself to be more of an alchemist with emotion amplifying magic than a wizard or mage, then again he probably doesn't have full access to all his abilities in the spirit plane.

Oh wait, yeah he did call himself a powerful wizard, sorry, the "straw into gold" comment threw me off.

[chridd 31]

I'm aware of that theory; that was just an alternate possibility that I thought of.

[FolksyFox 0]

I'm almost certain its Voltaire at this point. Sirelick and the other abberations are not human any more, and don't have any human like emotions, being so twisted. Most immortals would kill them on site.

Voltaire decided to work with one, knowing full well what Sirelick is.

Voltaire decided that lying and scheming to get the 'status quo' back was good

He decided to endanger countless lives just to try and kill Elliot.

He was willing to let Dex, Greg, Grace, Noah, Melissa, and Justin die to do so.

He did not think of involving more than one person in on his idea, or that simply telling them would work.

He does not care how many people he purposefully puts in danger, so long as he gets what he wants.

[Pharaoh RutinTutin 1,586]

Wildest speculation so far.

The Cheshire Fried Colonel's first appearance in EGS was in disguise.

Out in the middle of nowhere, an odd girl drives by.  Our sixth favorite named immortal investigates this unusual girl and places himself in the middle of an immortal/aberration/alien/alternate-universe conspiracy

http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=196

[mlooney 3,417]

9 hours ago, Pharaoh RutinTutin said:

Wildest speculation so far.

The Cheshire Fried Colonel's first appearance in EGS was in disguise.

Out in the middle of nowhere, an odd girl drives by.  Our sixth favorite named immortal investigates this unusual girl and places himself in the middle of an immortal/aberration/alien/alternate-universe conspiracy

http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=196

That explains it all....

Or does it?  Actually it doesn't explain any thing.  Or does it?

[Vorlonagent 442]

8 hours ago, mlooney said:

That explains it all....

Or does it?  Actually it doesn't explain any thing.  Or does it?

Yes.

or no.

[Indrid Cold 4]

On 18/09/2016 at 10:40 PM, Scotty said:

The way most people think Magus' "revival" would work, is Ellen's beam would push Magus into Elliot's body, Magus would then take control of Elliot long enough to be able to touch the diamond and the result would create another duplicate of Elliot with Magus in full control.

I've heard this theory before (and thought of it myself) but I wonder... What side effects would that cause?

Would Elliot gain the ability to replace his own mind with Magus's, while Magus would have the ability to "copy" his mind onto other people?

[Tom Sewell 268]

It seems pretty obvious that Sirleck is wanting to steal a new body, most likely the body Magus gets (or thinks he's going to get.) But now I'm wondering exactly how Sirleck could do that. Magus with a body would be much more dangerous than he is now, assuming he gets back all the powers and spells he had as a mage. And how long can Sirleck exist without a host? How long will it take to take over a new host? The old man he's been riding will die as soon as Sirleck leaves his body. Sirleck might have a very short time to make the move safely, so he might have to bring the old man physically close to his prospective new host.

Sirleck's safest host would probably be that dancing secretary of his. In fact, he could change the old man's will to leave her all his money. But maybe Sirleck isn't as gender-fluid as our heroes.

If Sirleck intends to take over Elliot/Magus' body, he also might change the old man's will to leave everything to Elliot.

[ijuin 572]

Sirleck would doubtlessly prefer a host who would give him more power, either magic power or socioeconomic power. The secretary has neither, being a mere minion. A young and strong Mage such as Magus/Elliot, however, is an extremely tempting target.

[CritterKeeper 1,102]

7 minutes ago, ijuin said:

Sirleck would doubtlessly prefer a host who would give him more power, either magic power or socioeconomic power. The secretary has neither, being a mere minion. A young and strong Mage such as Magus/Elliot, however, is an extremely tempting target.

And so is an elf.

[ijuin 572]

An Elf would be an excellent host, once the Immortal parent is permanently removed from interfering, that is. It is highly unlikely that an Immortal parent who is involved in a child's life is going to sit by while a body snatcher takes over their child.

[Tom Sewell 268]

11 minutes ago, ijuin said:

Sirleck would doubtlessly prefer a host who would give him more power, either magic power or socioeconomic power. The secretary has neither, being a mere minion. A young and strong Mage such as Magus/Elliot, however, is an extremely tempting target.

3 minutes ago, CritterKeeper said:

And so is an elf.

The secretary would still be safer, and would have the potential of letting Sirleck retain all the old man's fortune, not just the portion he's embezzled into untraceable accounts. The elf would be attractive; I've said that before. But Sirleck at the very end of So a Date at the Mall is still counting on getting Ellen to zap Elliot and is thinking of using an attack on Adrian as a diversion to lure away the immortals that are guarding Elliot to allow Magus to get his body back. And it might be impossible for Sirleck to possess a half-immortal anyway, or perhaps if he did, he would become visible to other immortals.

Hmmm. Voltaire probably anticipates this, so Plan CM might involve the "success" of Magus getting his body back. That would draw in Sirleck. Maybe Sirleck is Voltaire's real target?

 

[Scotty 1,061]

Just now, Tom Sewell said:

But Sirleck at the very end of So a Date at the Mall is still counting on getting Ellen to zap Elliot and is thinking of using an attack on Adrian as a diversion to lure away the immortals that are guarding Elliot to allow Magus to get his body back. And it might be impossible for Sirleck to possess a half-immortal anyway, or perhaps if he did, he would become visible to other immortals.

Yeah, there was nothing about what Sirleck said there that would suggest that he's considering Adrian as a possible host, just bait in his plan to distract Helena and Demetrius.

[CritterKeeper 1,102]

On September 23, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Tom Sewell said:

Sirleck at the very end of So a Date at the Mall is still counting on getting Ellen to zap Elliot and is thinking of using an attack on Adrian as a diversion to lure away the immortals that are guarding Elliot to allow Magus to get his body back.

 

On September 23, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Scotty said:

Yeah, there was nothing about what Sirleck said there that would suggest that he's considering Adrian as a possible host, just bait in his plan to distract Helena and Demetrius.

There's also nothing in the linked page to indicate Sirleck is still planning on trying to get Ellen to zap Elliot.  He is currently planning something at which he will only get one shot, and for which he needs the two immortals distracted.  He could just as well have changed his plan completely.

[Scotty 1,061]

Just now, CritterKeeper said:

There's also nothing in the linked page to indicate Sirleck is still planning on trying to get Ellen to zap Elliot.  He is currently planning something at which he will only get one shot, and for which he needs the two immortals distracted.  He could just as well have changed his plan completely.

But since there hasn't been anything in the comic to suggest that Sirleck has changed plans, we have to assume that he still intends on helping Magus get back into the physical realm with the intention of possibly possessing Magus afterwards. The only difference at this point, is Voltaire has fed Sirleck misinformation about the two Immortals and so Sirleck believes that using Adrian as bait would distract them.

[CritterKeeper 1,102]

38 minutes ago, Scotty said:

But since there hasn't been anything in the comic to suggest that Sirleck has changed plans, we have to assume that he still intends on helping Magus get back into the physical realm with the intention of possibly possessing Magus afterwards. The only difference at this point, is Voltaire has fed Sirleck misinformation about the two Immortals and so Sirleck believes that using Adrian as bait would distract them.

Sirleck's reaction to the news that there was an elf around was what first got many of us speculating as to whether he was switching his ultimate target from Magus, a wizard but a mortal, to Adrian, a centuries-old-yet-still-young-and-healthy-looking half-immortal who is *also* a powerful wizard (Sirleck may not know that part, but it seems likely to be a common trait among elves).

[Scotty 1,061]

Just now, CritterKeeper said:

Sirleck's reaction to the news that there was an elf around was what first got many of us speculating as to whether he was switching his ultimate target from Magus, a wizard but a mortal, to Adrian, a centuries-old-yet-still-young-and-healthy-looking half-immortal who is *also* a powerful wizard (Sirleck may not know that part, but it seems likely to be a common trait among elves).

I didn't jump on that bandwagon but yes it did provide fuel for speculation, but considering his last appearance has Sirleck planning to use Adrian as bait, such a switch hasn't been made, so it's back to the original plan.

[HarJIT 97]

Might Sam's transdar (perception of Tedd) be a marked ability?

[ijuin 572]

Well, Pandora found one guy to whom she could give an "actual gaydar" spell, so a trans-radar spell if a possibility, but Sam, being pre-op Trans, is probably longing for a self-transformation like Tedd's or Eliot's.

[Tom Sewell 268]

2 hours ago, HarJIT said:

Might Sam's transdar (perception of Tedd) be a marked ability?

Nope. The only thing Grace has sensed about Sam is that he's a she. It does make sense that Pandora might have marked Sam with a transgender spell, but if she had, Sam wouldn't need that fake beard, would she?

[CritterKeeper 1,102]

1 hour ago, Tom Sewell said:

Nope. The only thing Grace has sensed about Sam is that he's in the body of a she. It does make sense that Pandora might have marked Sam with a transgender spell, but if she had, Sam wouldn't need that fake beard, would he?

Fixed that for you.

[chridd 31]

4 hours ago, Tom Sewell said:

Nope. The only thing Grace has sensed about Sam is that he's a she [sic]. It does make sense that Pandora might have marked Sam with a transgender spell, but if she had, Sam wouldn't need that fake beard, would she [sic]?

Also, Grace can't sense magic power.  She only knows about powers she's been told about (in her dreams or otherwise), or where she's seen the mark directly (using ordinary vision), or seen the effects of a spell, or perhaps deduced or guessed or something (same as anyone else).  Luke can, though, and it seems Sam doesn't have an ability.

Sam is probably going by some combination of Tedd's appearance (especially if pink isn't a possible natural hair color), things he's said, things Grace has said at some point, Tedd's mannerisms and reaction to things, etc.  Like ijuin said, if he had an ability related to being transgender, it would probably be a transformation spell.  (Or of course he could get an unrelated ability... bag-of-holding spell (more pocket space!), transform into a creature from Magickal Cards or a comic book or something, flying, ...)

[Tom Sewell 268]

12 hours ago, chridd said:

Also, Grace can't sense magic power.

Yes, she can. She sensed Justin's power after he'd awakened and lost his mark.

Edited September 29, 2016 by Tom Sewell
Corrected link.

[chridd 31]

1 minute ago, Tom Sewell said:

Yes, she can. She sensed Justin's power after he'd awakened and lost his mark.

That's not sensing power (and also the link's not right).  It's a vaguely-remembered dream.  I'm pretty sure this has already been discussed elsewhere on this forum.