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  2. Story, Friday November 17, 2017

    I don't think the old man was an attorney, maybe in an accounting firm or bank though, he's wealthy enough to have a butler, but he also has access to other people's money since Sirleck was using him to embezzle.
  3. Story, Monday November 20, 2017

    Page 40 if the 1st AD&D Player's Handbook is confusing as to that. It says they must be memorized "before the adventure" and that it takes 15 minutes per spell level to memorize them. I can see where a select type of DM would make you spend a lot of time every day to have spells, but it doesn't say, explicitly, that they go away. It does say they go away on casting. Page 100 strongly implies that they stick around.
  4. Story, Monday November 20, 2017

    In finite multiverse, no way. Problem with alternates is that divergences multiply itself. Butterfly effect and stuff. Your birth depends not only on your parents, but on ALL your ancestors having sex together, despite lot of them having lot of other options. And even in infinite universe, unless you specifically SEARCH for those alternates, you are much more likely to NOT find them. Of course, lord Tedd WAS searching ... It's even worse in those "evil duplicate" universes. In universe where good people are evil and evil people are good, completely different people will die and the universes diverges very quickly. True. On the other hand, there was specifically said there are more laws than mentioned, and we don't know about such law NOT existing either. 1) They were not "officially" paired. This was like homework - related to school (and on school facility), but done after school. 2) Terra's abilities in creating artefacts wouldn't influence her combat abilities. They may be comparable in combat. Or 3) Terra's SHOULD be better but isn't because she's not using all her potential. No, I wasn't saying it doesn't make sense. For example, it just occurs to me that there may be other conditions for reset in Magus' universe such that a seer is required to rediscover the rules. Perhaps if the usage of Magic becomes too unbalanced in some other way? ... isn't this what I said? Anyway, yes. Maybe we (I mean, EGS) just don't have anything they want and can't get closer. Not even enlightenment. And travelling between universes might be harder than Nioi make it look. Or when the level of ambient magic drops, he may find his own spell-casting ability affected.....guess I'm curious now how far out of town they're headed! He will definitely be affected. Question is how much he expects this and how much energy he has "stored". Huh. I and my friends did not use that interpretation. Partly it was because of the dramatically increasing amount of time it took to memorise spells, I think. If one of our level 12 wizards had expended all their spells it took them eighteen hours of effort to memorise them all anew. According to the rules, you could only spend eight hours a day on memorising spells before you tired too much to maintain the effort. Thus, at that point, it took us three days to go from empty to full. Losing everything overnight would have made that impossible, obviously. It got worse at higher levels. I can not remember precisely how long it took him but there was this 30th level NPC wizard in the campaign. We worked out that if he fired off everything he had, it would take him around half a month to recover everything he had spent. Even if you wouldn't get tired of that, it seems crazy to spend so long time memorising spells just for them to vanish over night. If that's how it's supposed to be played someone didn't really though about it or didn't playtested it. (On the other hand, I'm that person who thinks that magic SHOULD be powerful and that trying to balance non-magic fighter and wizards makes the game less fun if not completely unplayable. Like, wizards have more fun with more magic, fighters have more fun with subconsciously magic based abilities similar to what people do in anime like jumping ten meters high. Well ... anime and StarWars )
  5. Story, Monday November 20, 2017

    ...and that's before you talk about spell components. memorizing spells and expending spell components were two of the most annoying and counter-intuitive things that TSR added to AD&D..
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  7. Story, Monday November 20, 2017

    That is entirely consistent with D&D (all versions I've seen) rules.
  8. Story, Monday November 20, 2017

    Huh. I and my friends did not use that interpretation. Partly it was because of the dramatically increasing amount of time it took to memorise spells, I think. If one of our level 12 wizards had expended all their spells it took them eighteen hours of effort to memorise them all anew. According to the rules, you could only spend eight hours a day on memorising spells before you tired too much to maintain the effort. Thus, at that point, it took us three days to go from empty to full. Losing everything overnight would have made that impossible, obviously. It got worse at higher levels. I can not remember precisely how long it took him but there was this 30th level NPC wizard in the campaign. We worked out that if he fired off everything he had, it would take him around half a month to recover everything he had spent.
  9. What Are You Listening To?

    I loved finding out who Sephronia's sister married and what her last name became. Put a whole other twist on the character than it would have for someone who hadn't read the first series!
  10. Story, Monday November 20, 2017

    I learned on AD&D, but as I recall, Magic-User spell didn't hang around until they were used, they had to be re-learned every night. I never heard a DM tell a magic-user "Okay, you didn't use your Fireball or Magic Missile today, so you get to keep them for tomorrow, and you only have to spend half the time you would otherwise studying spells to replace the ones you did use." That would apply if there were no hint of his being Elliot's alternate before this, but his very introduction had a character who looks like Elliot (could be coincidence) dueling a character who looks like Tedd and whose name starts with a T (much less likely to be coincidence with both of them looking like inhabitants of the universe we've been following). Again, when it seemed obvious that they were twins, then the alternate option would have come out of left field. Now, however, we know that they aren't twins, so other options come back onto the table. In this case, I don't think there's been enough other evidence to make Diane being Susan's alternate a fair option. But, there's still the chance for Dan to develop the possibility over time. Heh. My crowd usually ostensibly used a specific game, but chose to ignore the rules in favor of group consensus or, with some game styles, GM fiat, whenever it seemed appropriate to make for a better story. Or when the level of ambient magic drops, he may find his own spell-casting ability affected.....guess I'm curious now how far out of town they're headed!
  11. Story, Monday November 20, 2017

    Well, I do care about tabletop RPGs, but finding time has been problematic. I started with D&D (yes, I am that old), mostly played AD&D and some Star Frontiers (TSR's odd foray in sci-fi) and a few odd games here and there. I also occasionally ran a rules free anything goes game (it ran like a combo of X-Files and Scooby Doo). Oddly enough, I have four kids, and sometimes, (when screen time is over) they will sit around and roleplay in a rules free mode (one kid guides the story and determines what is allowed and what isn't). It's cool to watch. That would be hilarious. He avoids the Universe Difference Issue (magics works differently here) by carrying his preset spells, but thinks he just has "to do that thing" to relearn them, like AD&D clerics praying for spells (and I am assuming since he hasn't panicked, relearning doesn't require access to a spellbook like AD&D mages), then "Uh oh, why can't I relearn my spells?!" All this time claiming to be a much stronger mage and laid low by landing in a universe with a different rule set. Honestly, I do hope he is limited in some way by being in a different universe, otherwise I could envision Invasions from Alternate Universes Where Magic Is More Bad-Ass. Since Elliot's universe seems to be more of a Mana Meter, perhaps Magus will find it harder to replenish his Mana, or that the level of effects he expect require more Mana.
  12. Story, Monday November 20, 2017

    No, I wasn't saying it doesn't make sense. For example, it just occurs to me that there may be other conditions for reset in Magus' universe such that a seer is required to rediscover the rules. Perhaps if the usage of Magic becomes too unbalanced in some other way? Well, what if their dialog wasn't just for dramatic effect. What if Magus believes that Terra's potential is being wasted. Perhaps in Magus' universe, the equivalent of Seers have different set of abilities that let them do the same thing, relearn magic. Seers might be just as rare or effectively rare (hard to find) as in our universe. Maybe Seers in Magus' universe can get spells, making their seer abilities easy to overlook.
  13. Story, Monday November 20, 2017

    We can reasonably presume, considering that they were paired off against each other in training, that Terra is a mage at least roughly comparable in trained ability to Magus. IMHO this makes it unlikely that Terra is their world's equivalent of a seer. But not impossible.
  14. Story, Monday November 20, 2017

    I expect that there are alternates for nearly all the characters in other universes (Dan has said that the EGS multiverse is finite, so there might be a few individuals whose birth was unlikely enough that they only show up in one universe). And I don't have a problem with new ones showing up. I just think it's poor writing to introduce a character and then long after we've come to know them as an individual character reveal "Oh, by the way, they're the duplicate of this other well established character." I'd feel the same way if the fan theory that Diane is an alternate of Susan were to be revealed to be true. I'd like to think Immortal law would prevent them from impersonating one another (even if it apparently doesn't keep them from choosing the same name), as you'd think such impersonations would lead to some very fierce conflict between them. However, such a law has not yet been revealed in the comic.
  15. What Are You Listening To?

    I loved those books. Finishing school indeed.
  16. Story, Monday November 20, 2017

    ... he didn't really had any opportunity to TEST his magic did he? Wait. How would the prepared spells survive all those years on astral plane and change of body? Well, Rules As Written, they hang around until you cast them. (0D&D, AD&D and D&D 3.x/Pathfinder). 4th didn't use VM and 5th uses a weird version, but they hang around until you replace them.
  17. Story, Monday November 20, 2017

    Self-evident. Unless the parliament is Danish.
  18. Story, Monday November 20, 2017

    So what we need is a nuclear powered, sausage making, airplane that caries an entire parliament while they debate legislation? That would probably be easier to understand than Goonmanji II.
  19. Story, Monday November 20, 2017

    Otto von Bismarck said that one is better off not knowing how two things are actually made: sausages, and laws. Obviously he had no experience with programming of critical systems (like airplane or nuclear power plant).
  20. Story, Monday November 20, 2017

    Otto von Bismarck said that one is better off not knowing how two things are actually made: sausages, and laws.
  21. Story, Monday November 20, 2017

    Hmmm ... it's true that I was speculating on this topic in past ... While true, EGS can hardly avoid that when it already shown beta Tedd and Lord Tedd. At that point, alternate universe NOT having alternates of know characters would be the less expected option, no matter how unlikely it is in general. I just hope Dan doesn't have some alternate hidden on the other half of EGS universe at least. I do. Immortal law. It would make sense if deliberately impersonating other immortal would be prohibited because most immortals would hate if someone did it to them. Also, while Pandora changes form without any effort, other immortals seems limited. It doesn't make sense considering their body is not from real matter, but we can't be sure immortals are ABLE to impersonate each other without lot of experience. (Of course, Voltaire MIGHT have this level of experience.) Really? Send me a copy of your revised Overwatch program which allows you to summon a million-carat flawless purple diamond shaped like Napoleon's hat that gives you unlimited shots against orcs wearing clown noses, propeller beanies, and swim fins, or at least a screen shot. Sorry, already have full-time job. But if I get fired, we can talk about that idea and how much it would cost you. Sure, getting people to agree on something is usually easier than explaining (meaning: programming) something to computer. It's even harder when game is not supposed to have support for modding and you need to hack it in. But it is possible and it was already done multiple times. And if you try to get congress to agree on something logical, you may realize that programming is not that difficult. (For nice example, look at https://www.ttdpatch.net/: that's binary patch making extensive modifications of game which was not supposed to be modded.) Interesting thought. I presume that Magus' universe might have Immortals, but they might be constrained by their set of non-interference rules. Still, Voltaire or AU-Voltaire could have manipulated an enemy of Magus to commit the sabotage. Still, if Terra were like Tedd and was a seer, then removing Magus might traumatize Terra, but to what purpose? In Elliot's universe, Magic wants to be scarce and is threatening to reset. Voltaire wants Tedd unable to perform some function of being a seer so he impose his own rules. There may be other reasons for magic wanting to reset in Magus's universe ; we have no idea what objectives that universe magic has. And the rules Voltaire wants to impose are likely not something any sane seer would define. Alternatively, maybe A.U. Voltaire wants Terra destabilized just as revenge on A.U. Pandora for something ... Ok, maybe it doesn't make as much sense as I though, but the idea our universe Pandora did it is not so sound either.
  22. Story, Monday November 20, 2017

    Interesting thought. I presume that Magus' universe might have Immortals, but they might be constrained by their set of non-interference rules. Still, Voltaire or AU-Voltaire could have manipulated an enemy of Magus to commit the sabotage. Still, if Terra were like Tedd and was a seer, then removing Magus might traumatize Terra, but to what purpose? In Elliot's universe, Magic wants to be scarce and is threatening to reset. Voltaire wants Tedd unable to perform some function of being a seer so he impose his own rules.
  23. Story, Friday November 17, 2017

    IF his previous host had died of old age (despite Sirleck's best efforts) before Sirleck could get his will and other arrangements completed to his satisfaction, then it would perhaps make sense to choose for his new host the attorney handling the estate. Even if that attorney was also near death. However, he'd want to then move very swiftly to find a new long-term host and get everything lined up. But other than that - yes, there's no shortage of at least passably wealthy people who are young to middle-aged and NOT on the brink of death. Or if he has a decent amount of time he doesn't even need a passably wealthy person and can pick someone fresh out of college to "mentor"...
  24. What Are You Listening To?

    I'm up to book four of Gail Carriger's Finishing School series, a sort of prequel companion series to the Parasol Protectorate, one of my favorites. This is in "Listening" instead of "Reading" because I've been listening to them via Audible. Both series have excellent readers and they're a real hoot, with surprising depths developing as the series proceed. I highly recommend both. There are a few things which make it better to read the other series first -- the first one is titled Soulless. They're steampunk fantasy, if you care about genre.
  25. What Are You Watching?

    Went to a performance of Into the Woods in which a co-worker's son was playing Jack. It was a lot of fun, and I cried a bit at the end, all the more surprising because I'd seen the show before, by a more professional company. This was basically community theater, with the added complication of having to work in the children's ensemble the group always uses, in this case by dressing them up as villagers and woods fairies and the like, to move around bits of the set when the location changes. The percussion occasionally drowned out the performers, but again, this was low budget -- actually, that was one of the very few ways that showed, as the set, props, costumes, and especially main cast performances were quite professional overall. I should go to shows more often. :-)
  26. Story, Monday November 20, 2017

    Really? Send me a copy of your revised Overwatch program which allows you to summon a million-carat flawless purple diamond shaped like Napoleon's hat that gives you unlimited shots against orcs wearing clown noses, propeller beanies, and swim fins, or at least a screen shot.
  27. Story, Monday November 20, 2017

    First of all, we knew that before we even knew Magus' name or that he came from an alternate universe, so it doesn't exactly match the scenario I was alluding to where I have one opinion and then new information makes me change my mind in time to be right when Dan makes the answer official. Secondly, at one point Pandora said something to the effect of "You need two who are one". I've always assumed that any Dewitchery Diamond duplicate and the person they were duplicated from would work for Magus' resurrection, it was just that Ellen was the only living Dewitchery duplicate alive in the main EGS universe and arranging for another duplicate to be made would have been even more difficult than trying to get Ellen to zap Elliot. If I found out they had been in a relationship for some time without the readers being informed, I would be highly annoyed. If we actually saw them form a trio I'd have a moment of giddy happiness. Either way, my next reaction would be "Okay, now give us cute scenes of them doing romantic things together." ...Which is all just to say that I'm not interested in the possibility of a Tedd/Grace/Sarah relationship for the speculation, I'm interested in it for what we'd get to see if it happened. As for the Magus revelation, beyond being disappointed that I guessed wrong, a big part of my disappointment comes from one of the reasons I didn't think Magus was Elliot in the first place - in EGS (or any other story with alternate universes as a prominent element), the idea that a mysterious new character is an alternate of a known character is just too easy and obvious an answer. It's been implied that Pandora has two mental modes (possibly without a clear boundary between them) - one in which she is a fairly kind human-like individual (and loving mother / widow), and one in which she is uncaring, nearly omniscient, and extremely bored. And until Sister III most of what we've seen of her has been in the latter mode; I suspect it's the state she's spent much of the past few centuries in. I don't think Pandroa ever helped Magus out of the kindness of her heart; she was bored, and thought that warning Edward Verres about Magus then helping Magus to regain his body would alleviate her boredom. (That said, I can't see any reason why Immortals couldn't impersonate one another, so your idea is possible.)
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