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Darth Fluffy
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29 minutes ago, Scotty said:It doesn't help that the same naive optimism helped Liz quit smoking.
And the message of the NP arc says that if Ashley hasn't tried smoking, she should try it before she criticizes.
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That's it, I'm shipping Liz and Elliot.
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It does not look like Bridgette got cured of her well intentioned naive optimism.
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It does not look like Bridgette got cured of her well intentioned naive optimism.
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It does not look like Bridgette got cured of her well intentioned naive optimism.
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13 minutes ago, CritterKeeper said:Beats the usual alternative, anyway....if there's a chance to Take A Third Option, I'm all for it!
Warning: TVTropes link, because I'm evil!
Third (and beyond) options, hmm?
You could be a cryogenically frozen corpsesicle, and hope for medical advances to revive you (in the loosest sense of "hope", since you won't be aware ...) Tends to not end well in fiction, but who knows?
Being able to be uploaded on to new hardware is a hypothetical goal just beyond the horizon of our present wherewithal. Not sure if you'd still be you, or if that even has meaning. Even now, are you still you a decade or two later? I know I have some very different views than I did in the 1990s.
Then there's the rumored afterlives or sequential reincarnations. I guess that's technically not an alternative, but it kind of feels like one in context.
Then there's the vague sense in which you continue through your contribution to the species consensus, the meme space. Granted, few of us will write the next Gettysburg Address, but we all contribute something. I've managed to warp several children through my parenting, and here, at least, we all post to this forum. And the great news is, you won't be bothered by how lame it is when it becomes relevant.
Actually, these third options make growing older look pretty good, what a drag though it may be.
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12 minutes ago, Don Edwards said:Oh, that's easy. A girl his age who's a close relative (therefore off limits), a good friend, and really hot. At an age when hormones are beating him to a bloody pulp anyway. He had to build defenses and push her away, quick. (Which is also why Edward hadn't seen her for long enough that he wasn't sure he recognized her.)
Not exactly relevant, because yeah, it seems you're right, "cousin" being a "close relative (therefore off limits)" is a cultural thing, and is not universally frowned upon; some cultures prefer it. The genetic hazard is about double two strangers, still low numbers, around two and four per cent respectively, no where near like two sibs. But repeated generational cousin marriage is another thing, check European royalty.
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3 hours ago, hkmaly said:I meant it was unexpectedly verbose.
It was an unexpected question, so I reflected, and thought about it in depth.
3 hours ago, hkmaly said:For start, you don't need to hurl them. Earth hitting them with orbital speed is enough. But, yes, hurling is more effective. Remember that it you throw a bomb fast enough, any payload, including antimatter, is insignificant to the kinetic energy.
The problem with orbital speed is that they orbit. You need to change that speed, which means, launch them. Time considerations and aiming requirements say that while you could perhaps launch a projectile from orbit with a parachute, it would take too long, and you'd best just chuck that sucker.
3 hours ago, hkmaly said:Biological and toxic weapons would still work if they would be dropped from that B-52. Which is usual method of deployment. You need very advanced biotechnology OR magic before your preferred method of deploying biological weapons would became "just infect some tourists, OUR people won't die from it" ...
The Buff is a US only plane, pretty sure we don't sell them; granted, there are rough equivalents, like the Bear, and the technology is no longer beyond anyone.
I don't think the US is actively fielding bio nor chemical weapons today. I admit, I could be wrong.
The types of nukes we are talking about are sufficiently heavy that they require a large airframe. However, lighter options are used in many missles.
Bio and toxic weapons would not be heavy, if you are willing to use them, you want to use a lot of smaller amounts and disperse them. Typical delivery would be either via missles or covert operatives.
In a shooting war, restraint goes out the window, and bets are off. However, anyone that hasn't prepped is probably unable to play.
3 hours ago, hkmaly said:Dragons capable of reading internet are too busy with higher-priority targets to bother with this comment.
The rest of them probably eaten all salesman from ISPs brave enough to visit them, so they don't have the connection yet.
... too busy answering forums to get anything done.
3 hours ago, hkmaly said:(Actually, with dragons mostly living in mountains, it's hard for them to get internet connection. Even cellphone coverage is often bad in mountains. On the other hand, most dragons would have enough money for own fiber optic cable if they really wanted.)
Where do you live? I want to avoid visiting. Do you have sirens, like Magus's universe?
3 hours ago, hkmaly said:Waaaaait ... while you can't really make a sunscreen with so high SPF using chemistry alone, there are no such limits with magic. Giving Dracula magical high-SPF sunscreen MAY count as doomsday weapon.
Even on the box cover art, it was meant to be more humorous than instructive. There is a form of really high SPF sunscreen available, however, it's called "Indoors". For nuclear war, you may want to use something stronger.
3 hours ago, hkmaly said:Using nuclear weapons against vampires? Collateral damage, I suppose.
Seems like overkill. I was referring to "Why don't vampires use the high SPF lotion from the box art to walk around in the daylight." But, yeah, indoors.
So, if they are underground, in the dark, how do they know to be dead during the day to rise at night? Isn't it all the same to them?
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42 minutes ago, Scotty said:We have Elliot admitting that if it was left to him to decide, they'd only eat at 3 places, so he's certainly self conscious about what decisions he could make, and he feels that he might come across as boring if left to decide things, which his deferring the decisions to Sarah ironically makes him appear boring anyway which certainly fuels the whole "stick in the mud" personality that Ellen described him as. Elliot was probably thinking "I can't make everything about me." but wound up never thinking about himself in the equation until recently.
Feh, like Ellen would know. She's lived in another universe, everyone is a relative stick in the mud compared to her. Seriously, though, Elliot has befriended people on his own, mostly while standing up for them. Ellen just has a more selfish approach to the same thing. It's not so much "wrong" as she knows herself better. She was dysfunctional to the point of being mentally ill when she was first created. "Stick in the mud" also says "stable".
Back to Elliot and Sarah have different goals in life, and don't really know each other at some level. Sarah may think "stick in the mud", and I'm pretty sure she's going to come across as "flighty" to some folks. Every card's a winner, and every card's a looser. (Yes, I know the actual lyrics are "Every hand's a winner, and every hand's a looser", but that's simply not true; it is true for the cards themselves.)
I went to one high school reunion, and was amazed how many of my classmates never left our town, or "Yeah, I left, I live thirty miles away now."
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1 minute ago, Scotty said:Yeah, but Grace doesn't know that Sarah's thinking that's the reason she's still naked, and Grace could just be talking about why she's still naked at that moment, like after Tedd left the room, she'd start folding her clothes and writing the note.
MythBusters: Plausible
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13 minutes ago, Scotty said:15 minutes ago, Darth Fluffy said:QuoteGranted, the fact that Grace wanted to give the clothes back doesn't necessarily prove anything, but HUGS!
Panel 3 shows Sarah drawing the boinking conclusion, then panel 4 and beyond subverts it.
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1 hour ago, Scotty said:Tedd is quickly zipping up his shirt in panel 1, meaning that shirt was unzipped and possibly not being worn prior to that page, especially considering he had just come down from his room, which Grace was in, and apparently Sarah rang the doorbell more than once like it took a bit to get presentable.
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40 minutes ago, Scotty said:Tedd is quickly zipping up his shirt in panel 1, meaning that shirt was unzipped and possibly not being worn prior to that page, especially considering he had just come down from his room, which Grace was in, and apparently Sarah rang the doorbell more than once like it took a bit to get presentable.
Huh, yeah, you're right. Still not conclusive that they weren't just cuddling. I'll grant that for most couples, it would be a strong indication. I don't see them fitting the mold.
Grace isn't phased when Tedd is female. For everyone else, the sex changing is a big deal, at least initially. She also isn't aware of how her male form affects him, at first, which kind of says that the sexual aspect did not cross her mind.
Besides, if squirrel form Grace decided to bury his nuts for the winter, he'd be in a world of hurt.
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2 hours ago, Scotty said:I'm not saying that considering her feelings is a bad thing, in moderation, but constantly second guessing how she would feel about something seems a lot worse than if he were to just do it and find out.
I did not get the impression he was overthinking so much as apathetic, "I can get a burger anywhere". I can relate to that. I am far less picky about where we eat lunch that my coworkers are. I can find something I'll like on anyone's menu. I'll usually state a general preference, or a negative, "I had Mexican yesterday", maybe lay out three different alternatives, mention time constraints, "I have a meeting at 1:00", then go along with the group consensus.
Maybe oddly, a burger is something I'll tend to avoid. I used to love them, but they don't love me back.
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1 hour ago, Scotty said:I think is does help that Ellen has Elliot's memories of dating Nanase so their relationship isn't as rocky as say if they were just meeting, of course there was the issue with the hair, but that might have been due to Ellen misfiring with her newfound impulsiveness and well, the pony tail gave her good memories, I don't think Elliot would have said anything, and if we're going to be technical, it was also about 2 and a half months from Ellen's "birth" to when her and Nanase officially became a couple.
Elliot and Sarah grew up together, they did a lot of things together, but Elliot never really considered the possibility of dating Sarah until she started hinting at it. Some people can be lifelong friends and not get to know everything about them, it usually takes going into romantic territory to find out more. Maybe it would have saved Sarah some trouble if instead of dropping hints, she started asking Elliot stuff like "what would you consider a romantic night out?" or something, but also Elliot should have mentioned Nanase a lot sooner, like before Sarah started dropping hints, like really, what was Elliot worried about back when him and Nanase started dating? at worst he'd have found out Nanase was Tedd's cousin sooner, but that's not a bad thing.
For all of Elliot's faults, they all know he's a good guy that doesn't mean any harm, heck his relationship with Nanase is a good example, he screwed up big time by keeping it secret and then how he handled Sarah's advances, she had every right to slap him, but also could have completely cut ties and never associate with him again as well, but that doesn't seem to be Nanase's nature either.
The issue with Elliot and all the prior guys she's dated and Nanase was Nanase's inability to resolve her mother's expectations with how she was feeling. Put simply, she was in denial. (It's a big river, lots of people swim in it.) You could make a good case for, she's quite attracted to Elliot, other than his male form, hence ends up with Ellen, who is her own person, but is also female Elliot.
Nanase comes across initially as being ill planned, sprouting plot features as they develop. Some pieces don't fit all that well. You would think it would be common knowledge to Elliot's other close friends that he was dating, but neither Tedd nor Sarah knew he was dating Nanase. There could be reasons, but I think Dan didn't think about it until he decided to make her more a part of the plot. The fact that she is Tedd's cousin but nobody else knows that is a bit weird as well, you'd think they'd have met her in some context. I can see the families not being close, but Nanase's mother is protective of Tedd, that seems like it would have made periodic visits a thing.
Allowing that either is a retcon, I don't think Elliot kept their relationship secret as much as it might not have occurred to him to mention it. It might have been mostly something they did in the context of their martial arts training, given that they don't live close, neither drives yet, I think it's Elliot's first relationship, and they may be subtly aware that they have some deep barriers. Nanase "tries" to be attracted to him, (whatever that means) but is at least somewhat aware of the lack of attraction; Elliot probably gets at least a hint of that.
I really don't get why she's "Ugly cousin" to Tedd. Indications are, she was sympathetic when they were kids.
My point with Elliot's ex's is that he is generally attractive, even before Ashley; Sarah is an exception, and she's not entirely unattracted.
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1 hour ago, Scotty said:7 hours ago, Darth Fluffy said:Grace in particular seems kind of ace, she's said things and had reactions that indicate she just likes to cuddle. In spite of Tedd's initial vocal perversion in the early comics, he might be OK with that. They do seem alike a couple that is well suited to each other.
We've seen her kiss Tedd numerous times, we've also seen her frustrated by a lack of romance, heck even in this comic, the last panel has her moving in for a kiss.
And lets not forget the vagueness of what happens after this page, and hinted at in this page, ...
Cuddling, cuddling, cuddling, and Grace has no problem with nudity so that is not indicative, Tedd is clothed panels 1, 4, and 5 where he appears, and Grace is squicked when she finds out why everybody else has issues with nudity.
... keep in mind that the commentary was added in 2015, Dan's frequent mention of hugs comes across as "thou dost protesteth too much" over what he was originally thinking when he first drew the pages.
Yes, I'd agree; not just the art has evolved.
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1 hour ago, Scotty said:Also, wait a moment, why are we criticizing Elliot for using the L word?
He seems more immature than the others, but I get your point, he's not far from the pack. They all have some issues, otherwise the comic would not be interesting.
1 hour ago, Scotty said:We've had Sarah use it on Elliot, sure, we know where that ended up, ...
They actually do love each other, just not as a couple, although Sarah has jealous moments. Which would be an indication they'd be a bad match.
1 hour ago, Scotty said:... but we've also had Tedd use it for Grace, ...
Elliot actually pointed that out to Tedd.
1 hour ago, Scotty said:... and we might as well assume they're married now, they just need to make it official.
Grace in particular seems kind of ace, she's said things and had reactions that indicate she just likes to cuddle. In spite of Tedd's initial vocal perversion in the early comics, he might be OK with that. They do seem alike a couple that is well suited to each other.
1 hour ago, Scotty said:We also have Nanase and Ellen, well Nanase actually says it there, but Ellen was basically saying it too.
I would say their love for each other is well demonstrated. But by that standard, Ashley's been brave and sacrificial toward Elliot, and that's kind of Elliot's core as well.
As a couple, Nanase and Ellen have made room for each other in their lives, they do things together, and they've known each other for a while. Elliot and Ashley aren't there yet.
1 hour ago, Scotty said:It's probably just a matter of time before Rhoda and Catalina tell each other the L word in panel, same with Lucy and Diane.
Rhoda and Catalina seem particularly well suited. I credit Catalina for bringing Rhoda out of her shell. I'm sure they re confident in shared affection, even if they haven't been vocal about it. (not saying they haven't, we don't know.)
Lucy and Diane were pretty clear, once they started talking, even if they didn't use the actual word. My take on them is once they realized how they felt, they dove right in.
1 hour ago, Scotty said:Will have to see more interaction between Justin and Luke before I make a call on that, ...
Luke is hiding too much from Justin for this to work. If Luke wants it to work, he's going to have to come clean. Camden seems to be a factor, he wants something tangential to Luke and Justin's plot line, and it is messing with Luke. In his little face time he seems like he's manipulating Luke through Luke's codependency.
1 hour ago, Scotty said:... and Sarah and Sam's relationship doesn't look promising at this time sadly.
Better to figure it out sooner than later. Sam needs to be honest, lack thereof dooming the relationship. Sarah will be OK, and so will Sam, but maybe not with each other. But if he persists on hiding his feelings, she will feel betrayed.
1 hour ago, Scotty said:I dunno it it counts when Sarah was wanting to break up with him, besides, he was thinking about how he felt about her when he decided they needed to break up, as was stated before, by Ellen and even Nanase, Elliot had been worrying more about other's feelings, which would prevent him from wanting to make decisions about stuff, like "What if I chose a bad restaurant?" or "what if I try to kiss her and she doesn't want to".
He's asking good questions, those aren't the problem. Well, maybe the wording of the first one. "What restaurant would we both enjoy?" would be a healthier question. But considering her needs and her feelings is not a bad thing.
He's also not generally bad about taking initiative, in spite of Sarah's experience; their relationship is a bit of an anomaly. He does have weak areas, like failing to keep up with his spell book. But sometimes he shows really good initiative, especially when he's being protective.
So, my impression is that at some level, he does not really know Sarah. Their discussion of travel highlighted very different goals; maybe they find each other unrelatable. Food choices much the same. His indecision around Sarah may be the tip of a deep iceberg.
Noteworthy, he actually had good chemistry with Susan, several people commented on it or assumed they were a couple because of it; he even got Susan to consider it, which is really out of her comfort zone. Though it didn't get much focus, he seemed to have a pretty good relationship with Nanase, as far as it went. It was a factor in Ellen's interest in Nanase, and maybe visa versa. And he's still friends with these girls, that says a lot.
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16 minutes ago, hkmaly said:1 hour ago, Darth Fluffy said:I guess Griffins and Golems (tm)* are tough acts to follow.
* So I have a name for my fantasy RPG if I ever get around to writing one.
Actually, writing ™ is not enough. You also need to register the name and pay for it. And actively use it.
You can register a trademark, and it is more defensible if you do, but it is not required, at least not in the US. You are correct that it has to be in use.
Whether it would be defensible elsewhere, eh, each country has their own laws, there is some reciprocity, I think the EU does that for each other, but I would not expect to be able to defend the name outside of the US even if I registered it, if that is all I did.
The alliterative name was a happy accident from the circumstances of their dates, and the rest was tongue in cheek, but I'm not above using it, should the situation arise.
Anyway, Luncheons and Flagons is a better name.
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6 minutes ago, hkmaly said:Not as unexpected as your answer.
As my answer depended on the question being asked, I cannot logically disagree with that.
6 minutes ago, hkmaly said:... actually, the idea of a bomb is so basic you can implement it with ANYTHING, from rock to nuclear weapons ... to rock again, but this time bigger and faster (orbital bombardment). So, magical bombs makes lot of sense.
Well yeah, if you have the energy and platform to hurl rocks from space, that's a game changer.
6 minutes ago, hkmaly said:However, my comment (made more specific by next line) alluded to the fact that Dr. Strangelove didn't really used any specific property of nuclear weapons, would work with basically ANY weapon of mass destruction and it only shown the destruction itself as lot of explosions ...
The vulnerability of the B-52 was key to the story. You don't get that with rocks from space.
Biological and toxic weapons would be more difficult to detect, different story, really. This really required a big boom from a vulnerable craft.
Magic could go either way, I suppose.
6 minutes ago, hkmaly said:Dragon is not weapon of mass destruction. Sure, it can destroy lot of things, but not at once. Dragon is equivalent of plane - fighter or bomber, or combined.
Sshh, the dragon might hear you. You don't want him trying to prove the point.
6 minutes ago, hkmaly said:Nuclear weapons are actually quite good countermeasure against vampires.
They would need a really high SPF. (You can't read it in the picture, but the bottle of sunscreen in the box art for Nuclear War is SPF-5000 ).
(Why can't they just do that all the time?)
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32 minutes ago, hkmaly said:10 hours ago, Darth Fluffy said:If she transforms into a cat girl, I'm not eating there.
... why?
You want cat hairs in your pizza?
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2 hours ago, Tom Sewell said:Elliot's third date with Ashley was on NW+7, another Friday evening. Nothing went wrong, but Elliot felt dissatisfied the next day, and so, on NW+8, we come to Elliot's third example of real initiative in dating: the party at Tedd's the following Saturday, NW+15. That's maybe as little as a month's time, in Moperville.
Or about six years in our time.
Huh, there apparently was a third date. I had to look that up. One page of invite and one panel of recap. Everything happened off-screen, and it appears that neither party was thrilled.
I guess Griffins and Golems (tm)* are tough acts to follow.
So, I'll double down on, "You're not ready to be using the L word." (Why am I thinking of Scott Pilgrim?)
Dan is planning big for this party. Smart money says it's going to go well, that's the EGS way, but he could really throw a curve ball here, if he wanted to.
* So I have a name for my fantasy RPG if I ever get around to writing one.
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12 minutes ago, Pharaoh RutinTutin said:Or maybe this is an Oliver Twist scenario?
Ooh, how did you get that? Were you reviewing the situation?
1 hour ago, Pharaoh RutinTutin said:If she transforms into a cat girl, I'm not eating there.
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1 hour ago, Scotty said:The first date would still be considered a date, they managed to get dinner, get to know each other more and have some fun before their interruption, the second date shouldn't even be called a date because they hadn't even got settled in to doing anything before getting interrupted. Basically, the third "uneventful" date should be the actual second date.
If you consider a "date" as getting acquainted, I suppose they've been on fast forward.
Elliot's response fits, in-universe. In real life I would say, "Elliot you need more grounding. You've seen each other in exceptional circumstances, see if you still like each other with some normal dates under your belt." Not to say that people can't ever bond quickly, but it tends to work better if they're older and know themselves; and it has been pointed out that Elliot is weak in introspection. Ashley seems a little better at it, but she has little experience with dating, and Nanase's concerns, "Seriously? No questions?" may reflect perceiving immaturity in Ashley. To be fair, Elliot's recent showing initiative may reflect overall maturing in his character over the last school year.
Eh, <shrug>, I'm sure it will work out within their setting.
Another question is, "Where are they carrying all the shoes they keep dropping?" I'm waiting for Wednesday for yet another shoe to drop. Must be what the backpacks are for.
Story Monday, July 8, 2019
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You make a good point, she thought she was going to die soon.
I would take issue with, you don't have to be skilled at being crazy to be crazy.