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On June 25 in History: 1530 - At the Diet of Augsburg, a bunch of Lutheran princes present a document to the Holy Roman Emperor explaining exactly what their faith entails. "Well, that clears everything up. Why didn't you just say so?" 1678 - Venetian polymath Elena Cornaro Piscopia graduates from the University of Padua, the first woman to ever earn a PhD. But it's in *philosophy*. 1876 - At the Battle of Little Bighorn, Lt. Gen. George Armstrong Custer does what every military commander dreads: goes down in history for losing terribly. 1938 - Douglas Hyde is inaugurated as the first President of Ireland, a sort of fancy mascot. 1947 - The Diary of a Young Girl is published. Full of dangling plot threads and ultimately feels unfinished; one star. 1950 - "Surprise, motherf******!" ~ North Korea 1975 - Mozambique obtains independence from Portugal. Wow, didn't realize that was still a thing. 1978 - The gay pride rainbow flag is flown for the first time at the San Francisco Gay Freedom Day Parade. It contains the seven colors of the rainbow plus pink - because why not - and is intended to evoke joy, peace, coexistence, and I guess leprechauns? 1991 - Croatia and Slovenia both declare their independence from Yugoslavia. Smart move, dividing their focus. The won't know which one to retaliate against. 1993 - The good news: Kim Campbell becomes Canada's first female prime minister. The bad news: outside of restructuring the cabinet, she'll be utterly ineffective. 1997 - The NHL approves expansion franchises in Nashville and Atlanta, two cities widely known for their thriving winter sports scene. Also Columbus and Minneapolis-St. Paul for some reason.
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It's not difference between novel and comic. It's just question of "minimal segment length". You can't switch between location in webcomic every page, just like you can't switch between locations in novel every paragraph.
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I have no idea if this has anything to do with Dan's reasoning, but if he created an entirely new cast of characters for this story, ones unlikely to ever show up in the main story, it would feel a little strange having this story in EGS at all.
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It's quite possible he simply won't show Sarah and Sam's night because we already know that Sam's got a decision to make, whether or not to tell Sarah he just wants to be friends. and we'd likely find out if he did or not at the party the next day if Sarah's in a good mood or not or if Sarah wants to back out of attending. I guess Justin/Luke and Diane/Lucy doesn't have to be seen either, they go bowling, they have fun, and the two couples might not even cross paths.
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On June 25 1876 - George Armstrong Custer probably wishes he'd brought his gatling guns along. 1906 - Harry Thaw shoots and kills architect Stanford White, providing the plot for James Cagney's last movie. 1950 - Korean War begins. It hasn't officially ended yet.
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In a comic format it's hard to run two or three different social events in different locations, each of which need several pages, concurrently. So even if they happen concurrently, it's extremely likely that they'll be shown one after another - and/or some just won't be shown. In a novel format you can more easily get away with switching back and forth between venues and character groups.
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I don't buy that either. Dan just started a new NP story, and it's not canon. Besides, Dan has already run Playing With Dolls, Question Mark, Marker, Escape From the Mall, and MV5, which all lead into this story--particularly MV5 with all it's wild transformation possibilities. Plus there was that semi-canon NP explaining all of Ellen's powers before she got her second zapping by the Dewitchery Diamond. It might take two weeks of our time for Elliot to talk his way out of this one. I think an easier option is to cut away and then explain what happened with a panel or two of exposition a little later.
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Sarah's also seeing Sam Friday night and there's a chance that Sam might tell Sarah how he feels about dating (I don't expect him to tell her he's trans though). I dunno if we'll actually see any of this in this storyline or if Dan's gonna reserve those dates for either NP or after the party story, it'd for sure be a real tease to not follow up on what Liz wants to talk to Elliot about though. I don't think he would be running out-of-character NP story now if he would be putting those dates in NP. Either he wants to skip those dates like Sarah's first date with Sam or they would be plot relevant and in main comics. Of course, they may still be AFTER the party, despite it not making much sense.
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The pattern so far is to switch back and forth between Northern and Southern groups. Sarah's a Northerner, so I think a switch would more likely go to a some Moperville South people. And there are more to choose from; besides Justin, Diane, and Lucy, there's Grace, Rhoda, Ellen, and Nanase. Oh, don't forget Noah; there's always a chance he'll show up somewhere, with or without Melissa. I wouldn't be terribly disappointed to see Sarah and Sam, though.
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Sarah's also seeing Sam Friday night and there's a chance that Sam might tell Sarah how he feels about dating (I don't expect him to tell her he's trans though). I dunno if we'll actually see any of this in this storyline or if Dan's gonna reserve those dates for either NP or after the party story, it'd for sure be a real tease to not follow up on what Liz wants to talk to Elliot about though.
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You're right, you got me. Still doesn't prove they've ever talked with each other until now. I have a reasonable suspicion that we won't be seeing Liz and Elliot in the next comic. If it's Friday, tonight is bowling night for Justin, Luke, Diane, and Lucy.
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If that's an illusion spell at work, I fully expect Elliot to comment on her using magic, but I think it's more likely Dan giving use a dramatic background to emphasize Liz confronting Elliot. Agree. I thought about that afterwards, that Liz has determined that Elliot is actually involved in magic stuffs and the "other possibility" is that she thinks that Ashley's earlier talk about her stories is that she's getting herself involved in magic by being with Elliot, and Liz probably gonna be like "don't you dare corrupt her!" or something. If Liz was marked by Pandora, this is probably the best time to reveal it, Liz confronting Elliot instead of talking to Ashley might suggest she's more certain that Elliot knows about magic and maybe less certain that Ashley knows or else she could have just asked Ashley directly. Interesting idea overall but I think the motivation to be angry is weak. "Don't you dare corrupt her"? Liz may think that movies are turning people into sheeps but is not this aggressive about other people watching them. Why should she be angry about Ashley finding out about magic? Especially considering it means Ashley will find out about something government is actually covering up? ... unless she's even better in conclusion jumping and realized being with Elliot is dangerous for Ashley. ... this actually makes sense. ... why SHOULD them? In fact, why should ADULT change furniture just to ensure they will have something new to sit on next time their on-panel? Good point, but I would assume Ashley shown him Liz in school. Like, not necessary in situation with enough time for introduction but they are visiting same school and Ashley is hanging with both of them so it seems weird they wouldn't met without actual effort on Ashley's side. ... ninjad. I'm not sure Elliot is quick thinking enough to deliver any of those without preparation. So, maybe the Cheerleadra's one because he MIGHT prepared it earlier. "I don't think so." Best delivered in voice Elliot would probably not used. Sounds like he has suspicion she would ask about magic. BAD idea ... he might do it. Note however that the party is in Tedd's house. He doesn't need to explain DGB to Liz to say he's not allowed to invite anyone without consulting it with Tedd's parents. Ashley and Susan don't appear to be wearing the same clothing they wore during what I assume was Wednesday, although it's hard to say with Susan since those were Nature/Nurture representations or which Nature's clothing seems to match but I'd have expected the contrast to be different betweem Nature, Nuture and Susan with Susan's clothing colour being a middleground or something. I guess it's also possible that Ashley had a second set of clothes to change into after gym class so that she wasn't wearing the same thing before and after gym. Dan did comment that it's been 29 pages and the party hasn't started yet so he might be trying to fast forward which in which case having Liz question Sarah and Susan, and watch review show episode be on Thursday and her confronting Elliot be Friday morning would make a lot of sense. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those panels would actually be flashbacks to earlier (or at least different days of this week). On the other hand, the borders didn't changed ...
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He didn't say he can't, he said he don't want to. He may be afraid audience will then demand more of them. BTW, did we get more AF4 characters yet? The problem with that is really delicious cookies take a long time to draw. I wouldn't complain about copy&paste in such case. Of course, there are some acceptable reasons why comics characters don't get tacos for example but I think Dan has better impulse control than that. I think it's more the case that Nanase Craft and even Goonmanji 2 were non canon fun, this is sounding to be touching on more serious topics so there is probably a need to clarity. That doesn't makes me calmer regarding the upcoming storyline.
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While there's never been a scene with Elliot talking to Liz before, he obviously knows who she is since he commented "Oh wait, she's with Liz" when he was about to go talk to Ashley about the party. Ashley and Susan don't appear to be wearing the same clothing they wore during what I assume was Wednesday, although it's hard to say with Susan since those were Nature/Nurture representations or which Nature's clothing seems to match but I'd have expected the contrast to be different betweem Nature, Nuture and Susan with Susan's clothing colour being a middleground or something. I guess it's also possible that Ashley had a second set of clothes to change into after gym class so that she wasn't wearing the same thing before and after gym. Dan did comment that it's been 29 pages and the party hasn't started yet so he might be trying to fast forward which in which case having Liz question Sarah and Susan, and watch review show episode be on Thursday and her confronting Elliot be Friday morning would make a lot of sense.
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On June 24 in History: 217 BCE - Hannibal traps the Romans army under Gaius Flaminius in the largest ambush in military history and utterly crushes them at the Battle of Lake Trasimene. And when I say "largest in history", I don't mean up until that point. Ouch. 474 - Julius Nepos forces usurper Glycerius to abdicate and assumes the title Emperor of Rome, whatever that's worth anymore. Long may he reign? 637 - Irish High King Domnall II fights King Congal Cáech of Ulaid and King Domnall Brecc of Dál Riata at the Battle of Moira, the largest ever fought on Irish soil. He wins, by the way. Oh, and Congal, who is killed, was his foster son. Awkward. 1128 - Count (later Prince and then King) Afonso Henriques of Portugal obtains independence from León and Castile by defeating his mother, Teresa of Portugal, his predecessor who had also fought for Portuguese independence, at the Battle of São Mamede. Look, I don't get it either. 1210 - Future Count Floris IV of Holland is born. This in itself isn't notable, until...well, you'll see. 1254 - Future Count Floris V, grandson of the above, is born. Sadly, the old count has been dead for twenty years and can't appreciate this thoughtful birthday gift. 1340 - Edward III's ragtag navy patched together from requisitioned merchant ships, and severely outnumbered by France's professional navy of purpose-built galleys and warships, nevertheless almost completely destroys said navy at the Battle of Sluys, giving the English control of the Channel. An auspicious (or inauspicious, depending on which side you're on) opening volley of the Hundred Years' War. 1374 - A bunch of people in Aachen, Germany, get up and start dancing in the street for no discernible reason. Hundreds more join them. They keep dancing uncontrollably until they collapse from exhaustion. Some even die. This is the first major outbreak of what will become an epidemic across Europe, and nobody knows what the hell is going on. This is a real thing that happened. 1812 - Napoleon and his army cross the Neman River, falling victim to the most famous of the classic blunders. 1880 - O Canada is performed for the first time. A hundred years from now, it will become the country's official national anthem, despite "The Maple Leaf Forever" being right there. 1950 - "This is our space. You guys stay over there." ~South Africa 1995 - South Africa defeats New Zealand to win the Rugby World Cup, and their black president presents the trophy to the white team captain. Moving enough in itself, but look what today's the anniversary of. 2013 - Former Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi is sentenced to seven years in prison (none of which he'll actually spend in prison) and a six year ban on holding office (wait, why is this shorter than his prison sentence?) for abuse of power and having sex with an underage prostitute. Meanwhile, the Italian people are just counting the days before they can vote for him again.
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The way Elliot will respond could depend on what day it is, and what time of day. Dan hasn't given us a day-of-the-week for awhile, but given the panels showing Liz at home in this comic, it has to be Thursday or Friday--in other words, the party is tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow. If it's Thursday, Elliot has time tonight to see Tedd and maybe Tedd's dad and maybe some others to ask if inviting Liz is acceptable, Elliot will probably stall. If it's Friday, especially late Friday, Elliot may not have a chance to see Liz again until Monday after the party. Under that kind of pressure, and fearing for his shirt, Elliot might say, "If this party is bothering you, why don't you come?"
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"Why?" "I don't think so." "Not here." "Ashley told you about the party?"
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Some confusing/misleading, entirely honest, answers for Elliot: Gay? Only when I'm a girl. (Best if delivered in a sarcastic tone.) No, I'm definitely not hiding magic from her. Where in this outfit could I hide Cheerleadra's boobs and hips? Also, I'm a bit taller than she is. Seriously? You think I'm a superhero, and yet you're assaulting me? Do you think you're a supervillain or something?
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What do you think Elliot thinks is about to happen? Elliot isn't in the super-genius club with Susan, Diane, Tedd, Grace, and Charlotte, but I don't think he puts a great deal of faith in Voltaire's pledge not to do anything with the intent of killing Elliot. Still Elliot doesn't seem to expect trouble from Volty at any time soon, and he should know from Tedd that most of the vampires/aberrations are ashes now. It's Ashley that Elliot is worried about. What Elliot might say next is "Excuse me, but who are you?" There's never been a scene where Elliot and Liz meet before. Ashley probably would have said some things about her friend Liz, and might have even shown Elliot a picture of Liz, and Elliot should have seen Liz with Ashley and maybe even been introduced--but none of that is in canon yet. Liz probing Ashley, Sarah, and Susan, and then taking another look at the review show before grabbing Elliot and ruining one of his treasured black shirts seems like a good indicator Liz has, indeed, never exchanged words with Elliot before, even without ruining a shirt.
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New thought, sorta meta, but The Dan, the person that will damn near always find a new character(s) if needed for the plot is saying, and I quote "I didn't want to design an entire new group for this". So, this leads to the obvious point. The Dan has been captured by DGB and an imposter is doing EGS:NP. We are on to your sneaky tricks. We demand that The Dan be freed and allowed to do EGS:NP with out your interference.
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I assume it's in her (Liz's) room. Teenagers often don't have the option to get new furniture on a whim. That aside, I've got 10Q$ that says that Elliot ends up inviting Liz to the party due to what is about to happen. Could be wrong, but Liz has been in more comics about the party preplan than some known party attendees. Would seem strange to see all this lead up go to waste.
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At the beginning of So a Date at the Mall Liz told Ashley that Elliot seemed perfect for Ashley because Elliot is a total dork. That doesn't sound like she has any suspicions that Elliot has weird powers then. And that happens after Identity, so Elliot's alleged gayness doesn't seem to be an issue at that point with Liz. Or Liz could think Elliot is really into Susan and while he isn't consciously leading Ashley on, because he's a genuinely good guy, he needs to admit that to himself and to Ashley before Ashley gets in any deeper. I don't know where Dan is going with this, but he's put some thought into it. He put Liz in that same beanbag as when she was talking with Ashley four years ago in our time.
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No canon cannon, so I'd say no, at least at this point.
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No, she started watching them somewhere between Ashley telling her she got a date with Elliot and the first date itself (the first link was on the day of the first date so it'd be redundant to link again). I suspect she'd only seen a few at the time and was getting caught up on more for the purpose of gauging what to think of Elliot. I thought about that afterwards, that Liz has determined that Elliot is actually involved in magic stuffs and the "other possibility" is that she thinks that Ashley's earlier talk about her stories is that she's getting herself involved in magic by being with Elliot, and Liz probably gonna be like "don't you dare corrupt her!" or something. If Liz was marked by Pandora, this is probably the best time to reveal it, Liz confronting Elliot instead of talking to Ashley might suggest she's more certain that Elliot knows about magic and maybe less certain that Ashley knows or else she could have just asked Ashley directly.
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I agree with Scotty that it's likely just a dramatic background. Speaking of which, yay for fiery background in panel six! ... As for what Liz's "other possibility" is, the idea that she thinks he's gay did occur to me, but another possibility I haven't seen mentioned yet is that she is aware of magic (presumably including her own) and has guessed that Elliot has magic. Maybe she thinks Elliot is hiding magic from Ashley, or maybe she thinks despite being otherwise a good guy he's pressuring Ashley into not talking about magic.
