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Adorably so!

I have a feeling Tedd has always at least been a 1.5-2.5 Kinsey Scale. The Commentary seems to agree. I mean, it's possible he wasn't, but he did have a lot of classic compensation going on either way.

Argh, beat me by like six seconds. That's what i get for re-typing the entire thing four times. EDIT: I don't know. I kind of feel her deciding to be male in the short term would go against her wanting to tell her dad.

And on this weeks episode of Good Guy Elliot... These last couple of comics have really made me want to hug characters on my screen. Mostly Tedd, but Elliot too.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I can be VERY pedantic when I want to. Wait until you see me on a history debate.

True enough. Though I've also wondered from time to time if the whale wasn't Pandora. I don't think it is, but I wouldn't put it past her. Kind perhaps wasn't the right word, but I certainly would not call it cruel. Capricious is fitting. I had forgotten that spells could modify themselves. That opens up a few new doors for research (in universe). I wonder if spells like the Guardian Form can be modified. Which brings up the question of if Uryuoms (and more specifically specifically Lespuko) are natural reservoirs of magic, or if they are simply better at metabolizing (for lack of a better word) their own body's natural magical power. I do want to say that I am not trying to be pedantic, I am simply stuck with a very inquisitive mind and when I am interested in something I can't *NOT* ask questions like this. I either voice them or they go round and round in my head until something else takes the attention. Thanks for being a springboard.

If I were a whale that ate magic and I was contacting someone who used magic, I'd tell her I was helpful too. I agree it is possible the whales do not know about the other side of the world, but it is also possible it considered the information about the other side of the world to be irrelevant to their warning. Either way, it seems that the whales (well, whale, we only saw one, and it may have been acting alone) either have a lot of empathy for Tedd, or will likely be somehow harmed by a magical reset. Other then that, as far as magic goes, there are a few things we do know. -Magic has a will, it has something it wants. It seems to want to be used, but not widely known. -Magic is kind. While it can be terribly destructive. It normally either kills you or leaves no lasting damage. Spells that should be tremendously dangerous, like TF magic, are safe. -Summons/constructs come from somewhere, and it has been hinted (or rather, lack of hinting seems to indicate) that place is not what Ed Verres has called 'the spirit world'. And that constructs of a similar flavor are similar enough that Mr. Verres was able to determine type based on partial descriptions ('fire' people and the bloodgrem) -Spells do not seem to be unique, perhaps it is because of human psychology, but there do seem to be a limited number of them. -Magic seems to be different by species, or at least the world a person species comes from. -Magic, or the free energy that powers magical spells, moves, much like a undersea current. Anything I missed?

On the flip side it could be that the whales are non-terrestrial and are simply attracted through space to the the buildup of excess magical energy on our side of the world. Since they have shown that they can't eat it all, Magic might have just written off whatever they eat as a loss. Well, my great-grandmother was a fairly prominent occultist around the turn of the last century. I could tell you what she thought magic was, it would likely have no relation to what is going on in the comic though.

Or both halves have the same will, but 'free' magical energy is finite. Our side is supposed to be the one where excess magical energy is produced and the other is supposed to be the one to use it up.

... I approve of this entire thing. But a poly pod that large would require a lot of communication. I still approve. And I want video.

Sorry. I'm blanking. OT14?

The majority of my characters in that setting, both LARP and tabletop, were prepared just in case that did happen. I wonder how Elliot's revelation will affect the comic's story. Because he's right. Eventually Magic is either going to have to put up or shut up. A world wide phenomena like that couldn't stay hidden in an age of instantaneous communication, not forever. EDIT: I dun't spel gude.

I'm not much of a shipper, but someone with more skill in photoshop then I have needs to edit in Elliot kissing Tedd in panel #5, stat.

Whoops, double post.

I might have been thinking of Mr. Verres, not Abraham.

Is he English? I could of sworn he was French? ... Though now that I try to recall, I have no idea why I thought he was.

I had assumed Magic would keep working the same, but Tedd's right. If the interaction changes the tech might not work on humans anymore, or even Grace. I also wonder what would happen to Abraham in his stone form. Does the spell just end? Also I love the how Dan is drawing Tedd's eyes right now. They work so well at making her look angry and upset.

To quote Elliot himself: "She's family, Help her."

Good Guy Elliot does what everyone on this forum wanted to do for the last week. Seriously, I want to hug Tedd so hard right now...

Pretty much. When I said "Universal Force" I was meaning universal force in the physics sense. The energy that powers magic may very well be some universal force, or a known natural force expressed in an unknown way. But the entity(ies) that people refer to as "The Will Of Magic", which seems to be the arbiter of when and how magical forces can be used, is not.

I don't think that Mr. Verres is transphobic, at least not to the degree where I'd actually call it transphobic. I fully believe Mr. Verres loves his child as much as a father can. I've outed myself on this forum before, so I don't terribly mind saying again that I am intersex. Now, maybe I am projecting some, but I feel like I know exactly where Tedd is right now (at least with regards to family and who he can talk to). I know that my parents love me unconditionally, but there were a lot of awkward moments while I was still figuring things out. My parents will, and have, supported me in anything I will do, but at the same time they are not who I turn to for gender advice. Incidently, i recently learned I can't give more than ten likes a day.

I think we have a disconnect here. It would be possible for magic to be a universal force and simply be expressed differently by different species were it not for the fact it can (and will) change at will and do so by individual species, that is the definition of a non-universal force. Universal forces are just that, universal. They can't change without a change to the entire universe, and they don't care that they can't change. While magic is choosing to be expressed, and how. Now, magic is probably powered by the interaction of some as-of-yet unknown universal force(s), with magic itself being the arbiter of how and when those forces can be used. That means magic is extremely powerful, and perhaps even a universal entity, but not a universal force.

I said as much in the thread about the previous comic, though not in those exact words. From what little we saw about Tedd before school today, I got the feeling she was actively avoiding Grace and her father (though for different reasons). Normally if someone has been/is/will be interacting with someone else, Dan will give some indication that the other person is there. But if I recall correctly Tedd was drawn to be totally alone.

I understand that, but that raises other questions, all of the non-earthlings we have seen, the Uryuoms and The Deathless Army of Rage, seem to have magic (the Deathless got to earth somehow, and they don't seem like a technological species) seems to point to magic being some form of a universal force. Tedd has certainly been studying it that way. But this indicates that magic is not a universal force, but rather one that changes from species to species. We only know how magic works for for Humans and Uryuoms, but Uryuoms coming to earth, even living their entire lives on earth, don't learn magic the way humans do it would seem to support the "universal force that is expressed differently by different species" hypothesis. But humans losing access to their magic while Uryuoms (and Uryuom hybrids) not doing so would indicate that magic is instead an abnormal force that concentrates itself deliberately. Perhaps it's even that magic is less a universal force, but one where different species have their magic provided by different entities, and Human-Magic-Entity CAN'T give or take away Deathless Army magic and vis-versa. If either of those is true, that indicates that magic is something that can be communicated with, anything communicated with can be reasoned with... Even bargained with. And THAT information would be game changing. Please note. I am not being pedantic here. I am not trying to say "THIS IS HOW DAN MUST WRITE!!!11!". I just can't always turn my 'science brain' off, and if I were in Tedd's shoes (once I calmed down) these are the questions I would be asking as well as the likely hypotheses I would draw from the information at hand. Besides some speculation on my part, meta-wise we know that the a good portion of this is true, but the characters in the comic don't. From what we've seen, it looks like it would affect all humans in one fell swoop, but maybe it could pick and choose, who knows?

We're veering into speculation territory here, but this does come back to what you and I were talking about yesterday. Grace wont be loosing anything if magic gets pissy and changes the rules (though if I were Tedd, the first question I'd ask once I calmed down is *why* Grace wont lose her magic. If magic is an elemental force, even one with a will behind it, shouldn't its change affect everyone equally?). And Grace will likely try and be helpful and point out that Tedd will still have the TF gun even if she looses the rest of her magic... Which likely would have worked on Tedd six months ago, hell, it likely would have worked on Tedd six days ago. But now that Tedd is marked, and understands the concept of gender fluid, she's realized that she's not just some weirdo with a fetish. She need to figure out if she's actually happier living as female with occasional trips to male rather than vis-versa. We're talking foundation of identity revelations here, she has a right to be upset and confused. And all of this isn't even getting into her lost dream of sharing magic with everyone.