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Tom Sewell
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Since Aberrations use magic to feed, I doubt if the Will of Magic isn't aware of every time one of them does feed. Maybe the WoM slept through all those math classes?
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Good one! I hadn't thought of that. Still, there's just not that much time between Zeus' and Pandora's appearances and the reset. And there may be another implied problem. When Ashley is first seen in Elliot's home, she's just beginning to take off her jacket. She just got there. Elliot just has the same shirt (or an identical shirt) he almost froze in six nights before, so he's probably been home and someone dropped off Ashley, maybe her mom, or her dad, or the rest of her family for all we know. And while Elliot's parents are seen only in Elliot's flashbacks, they could have just left, talking with Ashley and perhaps someone who dropped her off. They could even be outside talking with the other party. These things could delay Sirleck approaching. But there's no reason some time couldn't have passed before the next comic when Ashley found out Elliot shared a room with his sister. However, Sirleck definitely does arrive at house by the end of the comic because who else would be opening the garage door? In the first panel of the next comic, Elliot hears a loud door slam--either the garage or the connecting door into the house. Next panel, Ellen's voice calls out to him. Next panel, he's out of the room at the top of the stairs. Last panel, ZZZ-- The next comic finishes the zap, and Magus has a body--just not his own body, yet. BTW, if Magus is supposed to be from some kind of pseudo-medieval magical world, why does he wear a modern-style school uniform? I mean, besides the Harry Potter.
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Yes, and the more Immortals, the rarer Seers are in comparison to them. This is actually supported by Voltaire's latest appearance. That's what I have also assumed. However, how often to Aberrations have to feed? Not all Aberrations have a human form; some are monstrous all the time. Those aberrations would be wise to stay away from high-population areas when they don't have to feed. If more than 1% of them are monstrous all the time, then the Will of Magic is wrong about how many Aberrations have been destroyed.
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If seeing the lights was the signal to Sirleck that the two Immortals watching Elliot would be distracted, then this would have happened before Sirleck zapped Elliot so that Magus could get into position for the zap. Sirleck looks up at the lights toward the end of Part 22 Apocalypse, which begins "Not long before Sirleck zapped Elliot." I thought Dan had banned time travel in EGS. Magus doesn't have a body to be visible until after the zap, and I doubt Sirleck would have been able to get into the house, zap Elliot, get a re-jacketed Ashley into the car, and Magus, and drive much of anywhere if he had to wait for the lights before going into the house to zap Elliot. I'm going to break here, but I am going to respond to all of your counterpoints. An please note that I haven't totally refuted your argument here; I'm basically saying that I think Dan dug a plot hole for himself, unless he comes up with another reason why Sirleck would have felt he knew the Immortals would be distracted by the vampire attack at the right time and long enough to make the switch--or whether, say, someone told Sirleck that the Immortals wouldn't interfere, like Voltaire, or even Abner. Don't forget Abner.
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Basically my conclusion from the attacks (I think Sirleck was hit by between two and four), but Sirleck was in the physical plane in Moperville at least once earlier in the day, when he took possession of Ellen at Moperville South. He has to be on the physical plane to attack a victim. I was going to say "twice" but I've had a job that took an hour or more to commute to or back from so Sirleck might have taken Francine outside Helen and Demetrius' detection range. However, the "dodged a bullet" remark" makes me think that Sirleck felt those attacks, probably through the interface he has with Ellen. Muscle memory and more passes back through that interface. Yes, I suspect more than Dan thought would be necessary. I did some real math on the problem. I estimated that just to cover all the urbanized land areas on Earth could take something like 70,000 Immortals, or about one Immortal for every 100,000 humans. That would make Immortals 100 times more commonplace than Seers. I was using a value of "four" for "several," and only 3% of the land area on Earth, the most generous estimate I found.
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A reasonable assumption, but not that helpful. Sirleck's real protection is hiding off the material plane while possessing a victim. What is really needed is both a way to see Sirleck and hurt him. Eye-lasers would be neat, but it could be as simple as allowing Elliot to hit or grab any part of Sirleck he can see. If Dan wants to be really fancy, he can borrow a power I gave one of my OC Sailormoon characters. Kimi Moon can see just about anything with her magic third eye, share her vision with others, and allow others to channel their powers through her eye.
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Now there's a weapon with real teeth! And have you ever seen an arrow lick itself?
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He doesn't. He only rises to atone for his sins now. He's sinned against Ellen, Nanase, and Adrian Raven, and arguably against everyone who was at Moperville South. Now, fighting to save any of those is whole 'nother thing. Filling the air with superpowered puppies? Edward's definition of a Wizard is a mage who can learn other mage's spells. The only Wizards that are confirmed canon so far are Adrian Raven, Edward Verres, Tedd and Van (Seers are a special type of Wizard), Agent Wolf, and maybe Noriko because she's Tedd's and Van's mom. Susan might be a wizard; her fairy spell looks suspiciously like Nanase's. The only Magus we've seen so far looks very male...so far.
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There are at least three good reasons for Magus not to make this part of his modifications: The KISS principle: Keep It Simple, Stupid. Unnecessary complications make failure more likely. Magus is probably more concerned about not harming Ashley at this moment. Giving Elliot his powers would make Elliot a more formidable opponent to Sirleck when Sirleck attempts to steal Magus' body and getting Elliot's powers could help Magus fight off Sirleck's attempt. You're quite right that Elliot will be angry with Magus once Sirleck is dealt with, plus whatever else is going to happen such as activating artifacts and the possible appearance of one or more much-more-formidable-than-they-look guards, with or without flashlights. Oh, and possibly a new Elliot and a new Ellen. Maybe even more; three more sides to the box that held the diamond, and what happened to anyone the flying fragments hit.
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Just as possible would be Magus getting all of Elliot's powers, especially since Magus is more like Elliot's (newest) "curse". Something else seems more relevant to me than before: Elliot merging with his smartphone when he changed into Cheerleadra the last time in So a Date at the Mall. In this comic while flying back to Ashley and the rest of the adventure party, Elliot admits that despite the troubles he's having with the GPS, he thinks it's really a cool new power, and that she likes everything about her Cheerleadra form, and after a moment, accepts it totally--and in the last panel, gets the vision-thing spell I talked about in my last post before this one. Is merging power just for gadgets in the current situation?
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Or at least Magus hopes that his surprise doesn't work out like that potion he used in the match with Terra. I think the real danger to Sirleck will turn out to be that vision thing Elliot found in his spellbook but really didn't understand. Elliot refers to that spell in the conversation with Ellen in the comics immediately following that comic, specifically in this one, but doesn't say what the new spell does. Presumably Elliot told Ellen what he thought about that spell before, but Dan didn't let us hear that part of the conversation. We do know it made Elliot think he didn't need to transform any more and that Ellen agreed; the conversation was really focused on Elliot's sexual identity and the coming change in magic. It eventually wends itself to Elliot's amazing crackpot scheme to help out that anonymous poster who wanted Cheerleadra's help in changing gender, and I don't think the vision-thing-spell has been mentioned in any comic since.
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I can extend the analogy: EGS as a whole has always had a healthy dose of Urusai Yatsura with its nutty aliens from very early on. Elliot, of course, has already established solid credentials as a Ranma clone: Martial artist who changes sex and has a harem of potential brides (I think Ranma is still ahead there.) Elliot is also kind of a ronin like the male protagonist of Maison Ikkoku, filled with good intentions but unsure of his place in the truly adult world, and surrounded by eccentric friends.
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Well, so far, we have seen only one extra body, arguably the second of the two Elliots. But what about the other Ellen? Two consdirations: We've seen only post-split view of Elliot and Magus, and it shows only what's happening on one side of the box. It has three more sides. What's going to happen to anyone hit by those fragments?
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If Sirleck is immune to the Aberration-destruction spell while he's on the same plane as Magus was, he's also visible to any Immortals on that plane and they are not restricted to empower-and-guide; that seems to apply only to humans on the material plane. Sirleck could be attacked by any Immortal who wants to while he's on the same plane as Magus was trapped in with no restrictions we know about; certainly three out of the five named Immortals we know about did exactly that. So if Sirleck is "safely" on that different plane, the only reason Helena and Demetrius couldn't find him and attack him at any time is that it would affect his current host and that's a violation of the empower-and-guide rule for humans. On the other hand, they shouldn't have any trouble tracking him. They tracked Magus to France, didn't they? So was it dumb luck that they were far enough away not to flame Sirleck and probably crash the car in the process? Wait a minute. The Lights in the Sky happened just as Pandora was resetting. Weren't the vampires supposed to distract Helena and Demetrius so Sirleck and Demetrius could get close enough to do their thing to Elliot? But shouldn't the lights have appeared very soon after the attacks? Too soon for Magus and Sirleck to get out in the boonies? Maybe even before they would have gotten unconscious Ashley back into her jacket and into the back seat of the old Prius? The last time (that we know of) that Helena and Demetrius sent a Hunter after an Aberration was in So a Date at the Mall, which was only six days ago in Moperverse time. And the last time we saw Helena and Demetrius was at that mall after Dame Tara revealed herself, after she attacked Elliot, and after Voltaire made himself visible to the entire mall in a try to keep Ashley from talking Dame Tara out of continuing her attacks. So they were shadowing Elliot all along. After Lady Andrea and Dame Tara destroyed the spider vampire and met with Cheerleadra and Nanase's fairy in the woodland preserve where Lady Andrea had been hiding out, Lady Andrea reveals that two of "your 'immortals" have been helping her hunt vampires, and that they were just about to tell her something important when they sent her off to kill the Spider Vampire. Now when did Helen and Demetrius send Lady Andrea after Spideyvamp? My guess is right after the VWM panel here. And where was Lady Andrea? The most likely place seems to be the woods where she's been spending most of her time--the woods quite close to that tall bell tower the Spider Vampire was on top of when we first saw it and when it made that VWM. How did the Gang of Three Who Were Really Five make it far enough out of town in time?
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Helen and Demetrius have known Susan and Nanase killed an aberration for their previous selves in France since Sister II. There's no proof in canon that they know about Adrian or even Pandora, so upon detecting a vampire. Lady Andrea is on the other side of Moperearth along with her formidable wife Dame Tara for 23 more days, so there's only one proven vampire-liquidation team in Moperville we're sure they know about: Susan and Nanase. So why didn't at least one of them show up at the mall to get Susan? Getting them to go to the mall and therefore away from Elliot so Ellen can zap her brother with Magus in between them is the whole point of the plan, isn't it? So where the heck were they???!!! I know I've suggested before that Helen and Demetrius are still following Elliot and allowed Magus and Sirleck get as far as they have so far. But being Immortals, that also means they should have been caught up in Pandora's Last Spell. Even Voltaire should have been caught up. So they must have put on a very distant tail or Sirleck would be a nasty pile of ashes in Ellen and Elliot's old Prius instead of sneering behind Magus' back. Maybe there was a fail-safe for body-snatchers to protect their human victims? BTW, this is an example of the kind of old Prius that Elliot and Ellen own. I test-drove one of these a long time ago now. As you can see, it doesn't have the distinctive look shared by all Priuses now, it has the same body as the Toyota Echo. It was still a new car when Sister came out.
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How many elves live in Moperville? Magus found out Mr. Raven was Pandora's son back in Sister II, long before Voltaire made his phone call to Sirleck in So a Date at the Mall. I don't think so either, but maybe Magus believes it, or did believe it. Magus' top priority is getting his own body, not stealing someone else's like Sirleck. Why else would Magus be about to touch the Dewitchery Diamond now? But any vampire attack is going to distract Helena and Demetrius from watching Elliot, so why is the attack on Adrian included in Magus' plan at all?
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I screwed up and sent my last post before I really wanted to. Anyway, the basic premise I was working on was that Pandora could have set up this whole sequence in a state so near to having true psychic power that she predicted how she would react at lower states when she didn't remember doing it. Sort of ties into the whole concept for resetting for Immortals and Pandora not remembering Tedd all the time. Which is all a huge stretch, but The Dan might make it. Might. Pandora knows about vampires targeting her son in Apocalypse but doesn't seem to know how many. If she recontacted Magus, Pandora would have known about the attack on Adrian from Magus, but only about two vampires. Magus has a good reason to warn Pandora: he wants to destroy her by forcing her to reset. And since Magus got in trouble with Pandora for not helping her kill Abraham, it follows Magus doesn't want to kill Adrian simply to get Pandora to reset. The only problem I see is I'm not sure Magus could have found Pandora. I am sure Pandora could have found Magus and Sirleck if she'd wanted to. But what about Voltaire? Voltaire is the one who told Sirleck about Adrian Raven being Pandora's son. Magus already knew that, but since Sirleck was surprised to hear that, Magus hadn't told Sirleck at the end of So a Date at the Mall. Maybe I've been wrong about Magus planning to force Pandora to reset? Maybe he was thinking he could actually destroy Pandora with his own magic once he got back his own body. Doesn't add up yet, for me.
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Yes, that makes my last speculation less plausible. But still, maybe not impossible, if The Dan wills it so. Again, my latest premises seem less plausible unless Pandora wasn't quite up to her borderline psychic level when she doesn't even remember who Tedd is. Of course, she remembered who Tedd was a Moperverse week ago, and when she visited Grace's dreams
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Does anyone else think that Pandora telling Magus the Dewitchery Diamond would probably explode when Magus used it to create a new body for himself sounds borderline psychic? Pandora hasn't communicated with Magus for a long time, at least since Magus refused Pandora's "enguidance" to make Edward kill Abraham, and they weren't discussing exploding diamonds then. There could be several reasons Pandora told Magus that, but since we didn't hear Pandora telling Magus and have only just now heard Magus say that Pandora did warn him about the possibly explosive diamond, Dan hasn't given us much more than a tease in this comic, and license to speculate, at least until the next comic. One speculation I have is that Pandora may have planned all along to destroy the Dewitchery Diamond as part of Magus' resurrection; that would be a satisfactory end to to her quest to destroy what destroyed Blaike Raven. That leads me to another speculation: Is the possibility of the diamond exploding related to the change in magic that has reactivated all enchantments from before previous changes? That seems pretty appropriate to me now, although Magus didn't seem to have that possibility in mind when he noted that the artifacts in the other boxes didn't seem to be as useless or as inert as he expected in the last two panels of the comic for Friday, March 9. Could Pandora have expected that if the plan worked at all magic would have changed and she would have caused that change with her final spell during her reset?
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Maybe the last panel would be a good time to take a look at this clip...
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Anyway, I think Dan isn't old enough to have had to read Longfellow or take wood shop in high school. Also, plastic packing peanut brushes might be harder to make.
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Stan Lee is really quoting Bullwinkle the moose quoting Longfellow in Bullwinkle's Corner in Rocky & Bullwinkle #88. Remember the youth 'mid snow and ice: Who bore the banner with the strange device,: Excelsior! The connection with wood shavings as a packing material is the punch line at the end.
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I think I probably floated that idea first, quite awhile ago, but I'm not going to plow through my old posts now. My premise was that after Voltaire told Sirleck about Adrian, Sirleck might think Adrian would be an even better host body than Magus. Pretty obvious now that's not how Sirleck decided to go.
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Story, Monday March 12, 2018
Tom Sewell replied to Servant of Tara Gilesbie's topic in Comic Discussion
Yes, I meant Sirleck. I see you are more awake than I am, Scotty. -
Story, Monday March 12, 2018
Tom Sewell replied to Servant of Tara Gilesbie's topic in Comic Discussion
Yes indeed. Dan goes on (and on) in his own commentary to say he didn't have Magus' role in creating Ellen planned out back in 2002, but he's making it canon now. Also, in the last panel of this comic, we have an indication that Ellen has real awareness of what's going on and has been following the conversation. This might even indicate that instead of blacking out like Francine the janitor, Ellen will be fully aware the instant Magus releases her, something Magus probably doesn't think will happen.
